National Trust & tampons

The Equality Act 2010 is "actual law".

A transman following a man (the same man) into the toilet on two or more occasions and behaving in a way intended to cause alarm or distress could indeed be charged with harassment.

But that’s not going to happen because men are perfectly used to women (not event ones who might pass as men) being in the bogs with them. Because it happens at every music venue, every sports event, and every motorway service station up and down the country due to there not being enough female loos.

Is it so partners can get them for women? As someone who has experienced flooding from endometriosis I would have loved to send hubby to grab me one so I didn't have to risk a huge dramatic gush of blood when I went to source one. Perhaps also fathers of teens or older children who might not feel confident enough. Indirectly I think it's good to expose men to period products to normalize menstruation and encourage greater empathy but that's just a byproduct and probably not the point they're trying to make.

Harassment is a crime.

Whether or not someone entering the wrong sex loos (and using them only for the intended purpose) will ever amount to harassment is another question entirely.

Sex Matters have suggested it will be. That is not the same as actual law.

Even if you want to get yourself in a froth about trans men being in the men's bathroom (and honestly why would you care about that unless you're in there too), there are other reasons why this is useful.

They allow men to grab a pad or tampon for their partner / sister / daughter if she can't access the loos or they've run out in the women's.

They can help alleviate period poverty by giving families access to free period products in public places, regardless of which family member happens to be there.

They normalise period products and reduce the stigma (and if you don't think that's useful, see the other thread on here from a woman whose husband acted like an absolute arsehole when a wrapped, unused pad fell out of her bag in their home).

The fact that they're vegan simply indicates that they haven't been bleached, dyed or scented (these things are often tested on animals, which means vegans might not be willing to use them). Most people would probably prefer tampons without these things anyway, I would expect.

Your eagerness to quote a transwoman's sex offender's name to make a point0 reminds me of the readiness with which Tommy Robinson's followers will quote the names of BAME sex offenders. Do you keep a list? Or is there some easy-reference website you use to keep track?

Can we stop using isolated incidents as if they are the norm? Do you spent your weekends shouting at hotels too?

It Will be considered harassment of the opposite sex
They can therefore be charged

No, there is no law in the UK that forces trans women to use men's toilets or vice versa. The Supreme Court ruling states that in certain situations, under the Equality Act, excluding trans women from female-only spaces might be lawful if it's a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim," such as protecting privacy and dignity. But a trans person is not breaking the law if they use the toilet that matches their gender identity rather than their biological sex.

Have you heard of prostate cancer 🤦🏼‍♀️ it’s not just trans men who need sanitary products but biological men with incontinence issues.

Also gay men use them.

stop making things an issue when there isn’t one.

Their membership for the last 5 months has decreased month on month.

Exactly, most people don't care about culture wars so why do NT feel the need to keep ramming it.

ps. 71% of the people who voted so not think the OP is unreasonable. So put that in your vegan pipe and smoke it

There have been and are court cases
All won by the women
I assume you know this

The best bit about this thread is I've learned that vegan tampons exist and I'm all in.

And maybe they will be right? Only time will tell.

None of that changes the current position that it is not illegal for someone to be in the wrong sex loo.

And yet their membership numbers are increasing, in spite of the increasing cost of living.

The vast majority of people are not bothered about culture wars.

Even if you want to get yourself in a froth about trans men being in the men's bathroom (and honestly why would you care about that unless you're in there too), there are other reasons why this is useful.

They allow men to grab a pad or tampon for their partner / sister / daughter if she can't access the loos or they've run out in the women's.

They can help alleviate period poverty by giving families access to free period products in public places, regardless of which family member happens to be there.

They normalise period products and reduce the stigma (and if you don't think that's useful, see the other thread on here from a woman whose husband acted like an absolute arsehole when a wrapped, unused pad fell out of her bag in their home).

The fact that they're vegan simply indicates that they haven't been bleached, dyed or scented (these things are often tested on animals, which means vegans might not be willing to use them). Most people would probably prefer tampons without these things anyway, I would expect.

This is misinformation. After the SC ruling this line was tried by various organisations and activists invested in gender ideology, including for example, the Scottish Government. But they have mostly climbed down from this position and accepted this interpretation is wrong.

Trans men should not be in the gents toilets. They are female and therefore should be using the female or unisex toilets. Appropriate sanitary items can be found there.

men deserve dignity too and there shouldn’t be women in their single sex space.

If you read over the definition of harassment you will see that the Legal Teams for Sex Matters are quite clearly on the ball
Obviously

Utterly nuts , if you excuse the pun.
NT are going down in a lot of people's view and seem to be more interested in making a statement then the upkeep of our assets.

Harassment is a crime.

Whether or not someone entering the wrong sex loos (and using them only for the intended purpose) will ever amount to harassment is another question entirely.

Sex Matters have suggested it will be. That is not the same as actual law.

No, there is no law in the UK that forces trans women to use men's toilets or vice versa. The Supreme Court ruling states that in certain situations, under the Equality Act, excluding trans women from female-only spaces might be lawful if it's a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim," such as protecting privacy and dignity. But a trans person is not breaking the law if they use the toilet that matches their gender identity rather than their biological sex.

I can’t see a child age 7 or 8 using a tampon!

Surely sanitary towels would be more multipurpose in a men’s toilet for incontinence and haemorrhoids etc.

I suppose they could use tampons for nosebleeds?

What do men use tampons for?