Men violently preventing women from congregating, communicating and networking, is what the Taliban do. Why is it happening in the UK?

No, me saying that upset people will respond is a fact. Every protest, every riot, every act of terrorism, every conflict in human history has started because people felt strongly enough about something to take action.

Pointing that out is not legitimizing or making excuses for them, unless you don't know what those words mean.

Dear, dear Kimura. We see what you're doing. We've been around the #TWAW block a few times. We can spot a disingenuous poster, who just keeps and keeps and keeps on posting, all the while telling us how reasonable they are and how they don't necessarily support the men in dresses, they're just talking things through and asking us wimmin to consider certain questions and issues.

Honestly, do you think we were born yesterday 😂

You still haven’t said why men use violence and women such as FWS don’t not.

More abuser talk! Chilling

Presumably they want it to become a right that they're entitled to?

So far you have:

implied women are silly for being worried about violent trans rights activists, despite women having been assaulted by them on several occasions

told women they should be embarrassed by being intimidated by a group of violent men who hate us, because apparently their shite manifesto makes them incapable of hitting women

told women who asked you perfectly reasonable questions about your disingenuous flip flopping between justifying their activism and pretending you haven’t that they “must be on the wine”

implied that Filia was being provocative having a conference on TRA’s turf and should expect violent opposition, despite the number of lesbians there who are affected.

completely minimised this action and women’s concerns about these men.

So no.

And posters like Kimura would have lurkers believe that these men are somehow righteous, or push the both sides argument.

How many times do I have to say that I don't believe in what they stand for?

The tribalism here is frankly pathetic, to the point that anyone who strays an inch from the consensus narrative must be a secret trans activist or supporter.

No, me saying that upset people will respond is a fact. Every protest, every riot, every act of terrorism, every conflict in human history has started because people felt strongly enough about something to take action.

Pointing that out is not legitimizing or making excuses for them, unless you don't know what those words mean.

Its not 'understandable' for men to feel the need to threaten, harass, intimidate women. Its not necessary.

If TRAs want to fight really hard for their cherished right to see women naked, they'll need to pursue that campaign through political means.

You are saying 'upset people will respond and that very act IS legitimising and making excuses for them.

They have no grounds to be upset, they're just violent thugs who hate women - same as the incels.

Your attempts to make excuses for them, while pretending you aren't, are very transparent.

And posters like Kimura would have lurkers believe that these men are somehow righteous, or push the both sides argument.

How many times do I have to say that I don't believe in what they stand for?

The tribalism here is frankly pathetic, to the point that anyone who strays an inch from the consensus narrative must be a secret trans activist or supporter.

Imagine admitting that you're intimidated by that lot. How embarrassing.

Imagine admitting that you're intimidated by that lot. How embarrassing.

Isn't it frustrating when someone keeps harping on about trans rights but are unable to tell us what those missing rights are?

Presumably they want it to become a right that they're entitled to?

So you're presenting them as a poor marginalised group, fighting for their 'rights' but can't even bring yourself to say what these are? What does that tell you?

I'm not presenting them as anything, it's a fact that they're a tiny minority.

I don't need to tell you anything, especially something you quite clearly already know. You asking is telling me that you don't actually have anything useful to add to the conversation yourself.

And you're arguing that 'upset' people will react. But there are legitimate grounds to being upset and illegitimate grounds. What do you think is going on here?

I'm not arguing it, it's a fact. If someone is upset, it's obviously legitimate to them, isn't it? Otherwise they would be upset.

Should we be fine with everyone who is 'upset' going round smashing windows? No of course not. These misogynists need to grow the hell up and act like reasonable adults. Why are you still making excuses for them?

I haven't made a single excuse for them, this is something you've made up in your own head and are now arguing against a position that doesn't exist.

Saying that I understand why people might behave in a certain way isn't 'making excuses for them'.

I don’t think that pp has anything particularly valuable to contribute to this conversation.

Sorry to nit pick but that is incredibly contradictory isn't it? They're men, but not men, how does that work?

Read it again.

Men are not a minority. These are men.

I said I agree that they are men. I said it's not 'men' fighting for trans rights. The subsection of men who are fighting for trans rights are a minority compared to the people opposing them, this is a fact.

If you're not willing or able to understand that, I'm not bothering to read the rest of your post.

Thank you.

That's so awful, poor Maria!

And posters like Kimura would have lurkers believe that these men are somehow righteous, or push the both sides argument.

Also it hasn't been on any major news channels or papers that I can see.

Thank you.

That's so awful, poor Maria!

And posters like Kimura would have lurkers believe that these men are somehow righteous, or push the both sides argument.