To wonder why so many pensioners are supporting Palestine Action, even willing to risk prison for it ?

But you did see this with XR. Defend our juries, who is organising the protests against the ban on Palestine Action, literally started because they believed there was a state and judiciary crackdown on the right to protest following the rise of XR and Just Stop Oil, which was affecting the ability of juries to do their job. The main difference is XR and JSO weren’t banned, but Defend our Juries regularly held protests outside courts etc complaining about the crackdown on jurors to vote according to their conscious etc.

But Defend our Juries’ argument here is the banning of PA is a crackdown on the right to protest/freedom of reach. They are advocates for the right to protest (with many also having sympathies with Palestine)

This. I think people imagine that older people were always sweet old grandmas and never had a political thought in their heads beyond “oooh - winter fuel allowance - lovely jubbly”.

My parents were huge student activists in the early 70s. My mum was one of a number of students suspended from university for a political protest and my dad led the entire university going out on strike in support. (They weren’t together at this point.)

Their beliefs were blunted for a long time due to raising kids. But now they are in their mid to late 70s, they have loads of money, their kids have kids of their own, my dad is in recovery from cancer so they are aware their life may be short. So what else are they going to do with their time other than fight for something they believe in? Watch Antiques Roadshow.

As far as I know they are not at the protest. I don’t really know their opinion on the Palestine situation as I don’t want to fall out with them if we have different views. But if they are then they will have done their research and be convinced of it.

It was never going to deliver what people wanted

Interesting how voting for brexit is posted as a sign of lack of wisdom now.

Because it isn't a sign of wisdom..

It's always been so, but that doesn't make it accurate.

Let’s accept that, on average, people who voted Leave score marginally less well on particular cognitive tests than those who voted Remain. Are we really going to say that their votes should carry less weight?

If so, should this apply more generally? For example, if I have read them correctly, the detailed results of a research paper also suggest that people with higher cognitive ability are marginally more likely to vote Conservative than Labour. Does that mean anything?

There are also limits to measuring ‘intelligence’, or competence more generally, on the basis of these tests. Some people may just not be as quick at recalling facts, or as good at mental maths.

Other studies have suggested that people from different ethnic groups perform differently on standard Western IQ tests – but let’s not even go there. This is a slippery slope.

Ooo exciting, another thread about Palestine set up so everyone can have the same old arguments and the same old posters can come on and trot out the same old lines!

Hear hear 👏

Interesting how voting for brexit is posted as a sign of lack of wisdom now. And not a single poster has disagreed

Yeah, and it's all 80 year olds on the marches 🙄🙄🙄

@ForWittyTealOP would you like to apologise and define what you mean by holocaust co-opter? or should I just report your hateful post?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this group didn't already do voluntary litter picking etc

Well considering the Brexit referendum was 9 years ago many were in their 50s and 43% of those 65 and above voted to stay soooo….

So what's your definition of "older" ?

And fewer "young" people voted because they could be bothered to register to vote - despite an extension of the cutoff date.

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-centre/registration-deadline-be-extended-last-chance-register-vote-eu-referendum

No doubt they were in their rooms gaming, smoking dope and bonking their feckless girlfriends/boyfriends, meanwhile their mothers were posting on MN about their behaviour/attitude

@RedAdmirals of those who voted more older people voted to leave than younger people. This doesn't prove increased wisdom no matter how you want to twist it.

TBH I wouldn’t bother with any of that.

Some £50,000 fines would do it. OAPs are no more willing to lose their savings or their house for their ‘cause’ than anyone else.

I’m loving the nostalgia for Great Protests of Yesteryear. 🙄

Middle class lefty loonies I imagine.

60 years old is not elderly

It's not young or middle aged, it's old. That isn't ageist.

Actually - 37% of the electorate voted to leave, which was equivalent to 26.5% of the total UK population at the time. Of those taking part in the 2016 referendum, 52% voted to leave and 48% voted to remain in the EU.

If people chose not to engage with the process that's no-one's fault but theirs

Quite aside from the issues they are protesting about, the OP’s ageism is astounding.

60 years old is not elderly. Nor does reaching that age make you a doddery old fool without any fire in your belly or interest in the world around you.

Nooooo, please don't do it.
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It would mean I (and many others) will have to pay for them for months.

Fine them and set them to work scrubbing out the public lavvies, mucking out animal sanctuaries and litter picking on Brighton beach after a music festival.

Today's pensioners, of which I am one, grew up in an era of protest and activism.

I was 8 when I went to a CND rally with my dad, 12 when I was allowed to go on an anti-Vietnam war march with a schoolfriend and her older siblings. In my teens I was at vigils against apartheid, in my twenties, I was collecting funds to support striking miners and attending days of action at Greenham Common.

And we have the time, being retired, and don't have to worry about getting arrested and missing work for court appearances!

This. My mum is in her 80s now and would be out protesting if she could. She is of the generation who protested against apartheid, Thatcher, the war in Vietnam, for equality in the 70s. Those brave people don’t suddenly become less political as they age.

How is Brexit relevant to radicalised grannies

Only 40% ish voted to remain, this doesn't prove increased wisdom to me which is the post I replied to...

I think they've just moved from Climate to PA, it's an ongoing protest movement, mainly all performative.

Boredom I assume

@JacknDiane "People 60+ and people everywhere can see it."

And the evidence for this is ???