To ask if most straight men are attracted much younger women?

That is not the definition of paedophilia. It’s actually ephebophilia.

I very much doubt that social competence beat everything for early humans. To survive, all they needed to do was cooperate with others in their tribe, in terms of hunting and defending themselves from threats. Beyond that, physical fitness would be the best determinant of survival. I’m not quite sure why you keep shoehorning red pills into the discussion.

It must be abysmal for women over 40 then. I met my DH when he was in his early 40s.

Mitchell

I don’t think it’s helpful to conflate this with actual pedophilia.

I was getting into clubs at 14! But I know for a fact my figure at 15 was not the same as it was at 20. Not even remotely.

Regardless of our anecdotes, the average age for puberty to complete in girls is between 16 & 18. So you could make an argument that men fancy 18 year olds, but the majority are not looking at 15 year olds and thinking 'phwoar.'

I don’t think the dating pool is good for men beyond 40 unless they have some wealth

So you claim all men are pedophiles ? We go back to what some of us are saying while some men might like 15 year olds some will not .

Well you can not accept it if you like, but that is the definition of paedophillia.

At 15, I could get into clubs and bars, as could all my friends at that age, and we would regularly get chatted up buy older men (though obviously they had no idea that we were only 15).

From experience, I can tell you that most men can’t tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 20 year old from looks alone. Boys tend to look younger at 15, but girls develop quickly.

Maybe because I’m married with someone that’s had never been that way 🤷🏻‍♀️. Not all of us choose misogynistic men .

This thread is hugely depressing.

Sadly I think you’re right.

I’ve unfortunately seen some of the ladies my husband ogles online and they are young. 19-early 20s young.

I’m mid 40s and feeling crap beyond measure.

I think some women are looking great into their 50s nowadays, but there comes a point when you have to accept you are not as attractive as you were. I hate the notion of 'hitting the wall' but there is some truth to it. It applies to men too, they just seem to have a longer shelf life and the dating pool is much wider for them.

I'm confused. I've referenced him watching porn in my post.

Because men are not the same as women! They are very different both from a biological, and an evolutionary perspective. Honestly, I don’t know how you can be in your early 40s and not have realised this.

The term is hebephilia - so it’s abnormal whichever way you look at it. See Jimmy Savile.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/basics/hebephilia/amp

I don't accept that. 15 year old girls are not fully developed. Most men are attracted to curvy women not skinny teenagers.

Yeah that's pretty bad

Very telling which men laugh at it

Bear in mind these men will have daughters themselves

I think generally men make no distinction between 20 and a teenager. Young 20 year old does not look different to a older teenager - sometimes its hard to tell. Man just love young women, no matter what their age is. I would imagine "hot daughter" refers to a young woman with curves etc.

I'm not talking about obvious children, I doubt all guys are pdf files.

A lot of people in my circle (work, friends, etc) - including myself - got divorced in their late 30s - early 40s. Most of the females are still single. Most of the guys are with girls at least 10 years younger... Generally 15 years younger. Make of that what you want!

One place I worked at, there was a man in his 50s who had always seemed generally OK, but once he told a nasty 'joke' that always made me extremely suspicious of him from then until the day he left.

It was something along the lines of "What's the best thing about having sex with 29-year-olds?" (as you would naturally hear and process it); the 'punchline' being "There are 20 of them!"

I hope he was just trying to shock, Jimmy Carr-style; but I always felt quite sick every time I saw him after that and distanced myself.

Yes, I wondered this as well. If it's the same survey that a PP posted above, it asks whom you think 'looks the best' rather than which do you 'most fancy'.

After the age of 31, the women also all said that men younger than them 'look the best', albeit choosing a range of younger-aged pictures (I assume that's how they did it) rather than just the ones aged around 22.

If you asked most women who 'looks the best' and showed them pictures of George Clooney, Tom Hiddleston, David Gandy, Kev from next door, Phil who works in the local shop - or indeed their own DHs - the vast majority would laugh and say obviously the famous ones. That doesn't mean that they don't find their own DH very attractive for everything he is to them or that they would instantly dump him in favour of a Hollywood actor, though.

Germaine Greer released a book a long time ago called 'The Beautiful Boy', which featured photos of young juvenile males (sometimes partially clothed) and focused heavily on how nice-looking/attractive/beautiful they were. That was the whole premise of the (creepy) book.

I think it was very ill-advised of her indeed, and had the sexes been reversed, I don't think a male author would have got away with it for a second (and rightly not imho). It still makes me look at her in a different light, in spite of all of the wonderful insightful things that she's said, written and done over all these years.

I think it's very important to make the distinction between a young adult and an actual child. If GG had released a photo book of young men aged, say, 18-25, it would still have been creepy, but nowhere near as questionable.

Do you not think they were a type of men, nearly grooming.
I dated a man who was 38 when I was 18, he was a sick twisted fuck, hence the need for a more naive partner, easy to manipulate.
I still have occasional nightmares about that time in my life.

Some girls in their late teens do look older & therefore I do believe men do find them attractive
When I was around 19, 20 I had my parents single friends regularly try it on. I was of course legal by that age, but he had known me since a kid (not a close friend but had definitely met before when I was a child)

@Chiseltip

Why would you want to look 19 again? For what reason? I can’t relate.

I am 53 and definitely do not wish to look 19 again. Been there, done that. I am at a nice stage of life with young adult children who bring me a lot of contentment and I now have an increasing amount of freedom.

My partner is the same age as me, we met 6 years ago. He fancies me and Gillian Anderson!

I appreciate the beauty of the youth's I know and see but do not want it again for myself nor am I sexually attracted by it. I wouldn’t want to hang about with weirdos my age who were.