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The global spread of radical Islamic groups

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 08/10/2025 11:19

The Roman Empire
The British Empire
The Ottoman Empire
Just to name a few in the past.

The world continues to change and the growing rise of radical Islamic groups throughout the world might be the next empire. What do you think. There is plenty of evidence to show that radical Islamic groups are spreading. There are so many conflicts going on (much that never reaches main news).

The rise of terrorism in Africa. The rise in terrorist incidents and prevented terrorist incidents in Europe. Why is terrorism in the world becoming such a huge threat?

This is meant to be a actual question. Most people of all colours/faiths/cultures are peaceful and want nothing to do with terrorism. However, there is a power struggle in many countries, Sudan, Yemen, Lebanon. I wish everyone could live alongside each other, so how do we try to get along more?

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Leadonmacduffs · 17/10/2025 18:56

RealDiscussionNotHate · 17/10/2025 16:55

Ok fair enough they worry you more. Are you not a tiny bit worried about 40,000 people on the terrorism watch list in the UK? Or the people spreading hate on the streets. Or the preacher suggests others should show no mercy? Why do only Christian ones worry you? I'd be worried about all spreading hatred especially the ones suggesting violence to others.

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Did I say more or only?? I don’t like any extreme religious POVs because it’s all made up. No faith or people are ‘chosen’ not the Christian’s, not the Muslims nor anyone else.
Which is why the way Christianity is infiltrating western politics is so very, very disturbing

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 17/10/2025 16:55

Leadonmacduffs · 17/10/2025 16:26

I’m actually
more worried about the radical Christian ones as they’re in our western governments.

Ok fair enough they worry you more. Are you not a tiny bit worried about 40,000 people on the terrorism watch list in the UK? Or the people spreading hate on the streets. Or the preacher suggests others should show no mercy? Why do only Christian ones worry you? I'd be worried about all spreading hatred especially the ones suggesting violence to others.

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Leadonmacduffs · 17/10/2025 16:26

I’m actually
more worried about the radical Christian ones as they’re in our western governments.

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 17/10/2025 16:23

So basically the police are banning fans because some hate preacher tells his followers 'no mercy' what the heck is wrong with this country! Why are these hate filled promoters of violence allowed to promote hatred here.

"A Birmingham-based British Islamic preacher has urged his followers to show 'no mercy' to Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans if they visit the city next month - amid mounting fury at the police's decision to ban them from an Aston Villa game."

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 17/10/2025 16:22

Why isn't he arrested for Hate Speech? He should be.

In case you don't like the DM it's in lots of papers but this is free to read and post.

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Paddington5 · 09/10/2025 13:16

We had people marching on the streets - shock horror -all Tommy Robinson racists according to the Gov and some of the press.
That followed much publicity about ‘racists’ outside hotels and lots of footage of men coming on boats.
Now miraculously it appears No one is coming on boats and everyone happy about hotels.
Can only assume the Gov have put pressure on the media to stop showing it cos I could bet the boats are still arriving thick and fast. And of course to clear the hotels the quickest thing is to just give everyone residency which I’m sure is what they’re doing.

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 09/10/2025 12:41

EasternStandard · 09/10/2025 11:48

If you listen to BBC world service for a bit it’s clear the extremist threat you’ve listed here is active. If you just hear narratives here it’s downplayed, dismissed or worse. Why is that?

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Im not sure why people downplay or are dismissive or worse, perhaps head in the sand, assume it doesn't concern them or will affect them in any way. Or may supporting the 'struggle ' to bring extremist ideology here, sense of hatred for the west.... mix I imagine.. any other reasons you can add?

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EasternStandard · 09/10/2025 11:48

RealDiscussionNotHate · 08/10/2025 11:22

Countries with radical extremists groups
Yeman – The Houthis
Lebanon – Hezbollah
Al-Qaeda: Has a global presence, with core activities and affiliates operating in the Middle East, Africa (particularly North Africa and the Sahel), and parts of Asia.
Islamic State (IS) / ISIL: This is the world's deadliest terrorist group, with its core and numerous affiliates active in Iraq, Syria, and across many countries in Africa, Asia, and beyond.
Hamas: Primarily focused on the Palestinian territories, though it has also had its military wing proscribed by the UK government.
Boko Haram: Active in Nigeria and neighboring countries in West Africa, where it has launched widespread attacks.
Afghan Taliban: A major force in Afghanistan.
Lords Resistance Army (LRA): Operates in Central Africa.
Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal Muslimeen (JNIM) & Islamic State in the Greater Sahara (ISGS): These are examples of groups exploiting instability in the Sahel region of West Africa.

If you listen to BBC world service for a bit it’s clear the extremist threat you’ve listed here is active. If you just hear narratives here it’s downplayed, dismissed or worse. Why is that?

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 09/10/2025 11:25

PraisebetoGod · 09/10/2025 09:09

There are 44K people on the MI5 watch list of which 90 percent are islamic terrorists. IMO we are beyond the critical point.

This. It's awful and hence the call for more for deradicalised programmes. That's a lot of people to watch. When they see calls to 'Globalise the Intifada ' some will take action. I urge people caution with what they say.

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PraisebetoGod · 09/10/2025 09:45

The Muslim brotherhood and affiliates have been banned from the UEA because they are deemed too radical, yet the UK provides a safe haven for them. The government's top priority is to be seen to be politically correct and downplay the huge problem we have with islamic terrorism. All this to protect their huge Muslim voter base as well as the white progressive types. The UK's tolerance for such is an absolute travesty.

PraisebetoGod · 09/10/2025 09:18

Meant to add these figures are from around 5 years ago so likely much higher.

Paddington5 · 09/10/2025 09:12

Good thread - the gaslighting that goes in those with power is infuriating.

PraisebetoGod · 09/10/2025 09:09

There are 44K people on the MI5 watch list of which 90 percent are islamic terrorists. IMO we are beyond the critical point.

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 09/10/2025 08:37

Sparklybutold · 08/10/2025 23:49

I’ve been reflecting on how hard it is to talk openly about the impact of extremism and certain cultural practices without being labelled as intolerant or racist. It feels like we’ve reached a point where even raising concerns is seen as offensive, and that worries me.

I’m specifically thinking about Islamic extremism, not Islam as a whole, but the radical ideologies that promote violence and control. These beliefs are incompatible with a free, liberal society, and yet we often shy away from discussing them. I understand that most Muslims do not subscribe to these views, but it’s also true that pockets of extremism exist, sometimes quietly, in homes and places of worship across the UK.

I’ve spoken with Muslim women who’ve shared experiences of control, abuse, and inequality, things they’ve grown up with and learned to accept. It’s heartbreaking. These issues don’t just exist in far-off training camps; they can be embedded in everyday life, and we need to be able to talk about that without fear of being shut down.

I believe in equality, but that also means acknowledging when certain practices or beliefs undermine it. We can’t tackle extremism or harmful cultural norms if we’re too afraid to name them. Integration only works when there’s mutual respect and shared values, and when we’re honest about what isn’t working.

Indeed it is tough to tackle problems when some chose the easy you're racist/islamophobic response. Its not its a problem that faces the majority of peace loving people of all religions, cultures and countries. I see it a bit like the grooming gangs, swept under the carpet as racist, until, the problem was so huge that it wasn't possible to just ignore anymore. That will come with this when a critical point of radicalised individuals is reached.

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 09/10/2025 08:33

WithIcePlease · 08/10/2025 23:10

Placemarking
I'm surprised this hasn't been deleted.
Great thread

Thank you. Its doesn't currently get much interest though. Its easier to stick fingers in ears and ignore growing problems or concentrate on the conflicts that have more publicly and followers.

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Sparklybutold · 08/10/2025 23:49

I’ve been reflecting on how hard it is to talk openly about the impact of extremism and certain cultural practices without being labelled as intolerant or racist. It feels like we’ve reached a point where even raising concerns is seen as offensive, and that worries me.

I’m specifically thinking about Islamic extremism, not Islam as a whole, but the radical ideologies that promote violence and control. These beliefs are incompatible with a free, liberal society, and yet we often shy away from discussing them. I understand that most Muslims do not subscribe to these views, but it’s also true that pockets of extremism exist, sometimes quietly, in homes and places of worship across the UK.

I’ve spoken with Muslim women who’ve shared experiences of control, abuse, and inequality, things they’ve grown up with and learned to accept. It’s heartbreaking. These issues don’t just exist in far-off training camps; they can be embedded in everyday life, and we need to be able to talk about that without fear of being shut down.

I believe in equality, but that also means acknowledging when certain practices or beliefs undermine it. We can’t tackle extremism or harmful cultural norms if we’re too afraid to name them. Integration only works when there’s mutual respect and shared values, and when we’re honest about what isn’t working.

Parsley4321 · 08/10/2025 23:27

So foolish to let all these fighting age men in with nothing to do all day and those useful idiots thinking they are going to one day work and be productive members of British society

WithIcePlease · 08/10/2025 23:10

Placemarking
I'm surprised this hasn't been deleted.
Great thread

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 08/10/2025 23:01

Cecilly · 08/10/2025 17:36

@RealDiscussionNotHateYou do know there are other religions in Lebanon other than Sunni and Shia? There’s Druze, Maronite Christians, Greek Orthodox Christians, and Protestants. And according to a recent poll 68% of the population support Hisbollah. So you might not have them on your Christmas list but by golly I’ll bet you a heck of a lot of Lebanese do.

Thank you. I do realise there are a lot more ethnicities and religions in the area, i was noting the majority ones, sadly some of the minority ones are victims of the extremists uprising.

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RealDiscussionNotHate · 08/10/2025 22:58

Dreamingofabeach · 08/10/2025 15:55

Really interesting op! This is my job - so I’m a Humanitarian worker who spends my time designing and implementing emergency and development programmes in the Middle East.

I’m currently between Gaza / Jordan, also in and out of Yemen frequently and spent years between Syria and Iraq running reintegration programming for families detained in Al Hol as either associates or perceived associates of ISIS.

Something I am seeing along with a lot of colleagues in the field is an overall shift towards conservatism which often goes hand in hand with overall religious extremism, associated with different religious beliefs.

Which from a theoretical perspective is quite interesting as a lot of, for example, European countries (including my own as I’m dual national) have had a shift to more right wing conservative governments over the last few years - perhaps in response to those countries fear of extremism, or for a range of other factors - however one of the I suppose unintended consequences is this also fuels different types of extremism which can lead to a bit of a cycle. - which I think is what we do see in lots of conflicts and regions globally.

Thank you for replying. The subject doesn't gain much interest unfortunately. If it was Israel versus Hamas, the thread would fill. Other conflicts, terrorism or humanitarian crisis not so interesting. Its a looming problem and the head in the sand approach wont work forever.

You sound like you know a lot about it. I wish more was done to help the many victims of extremists. I'm learning and gradually reading more on the global threats.

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 08/10/2025 20:41

PurpleChrayn · 08/10/2025 11:43

Well, a good start would be to realise that radical Islamic groups don’t want to “get on” with everyone else. They want to murder us and spread radical Islam. Best plan is not to harbour them in the UK.

Exactly this.

Cecilly · 08/10/2025 17:36

@RealDiscussionNotHateYou do know there are other religions in Lebanon other than Sunni and Shia? There’s Druze, Maronite Christians, Greek Orthodox Christians, and Protestants. And according to a recent poll 68% of the population support Hisbollah. So you might not have them on your Christmas list but by golly I’ll bet you a heck of a lot of Lebanese do.

sunflower1022 · 08/10/2025 16:44

PurpleChrayn · 08/10/2025 11:43

Well, a good start would be to realise that radical Islamic groups don’t want to “get on” with everyone else. They want to murder us and spread radical Islam. Best plan is not to harbour them in the UK.

Absolutely this!

I could mention how the past ten years have changed my home country for the worse, but I’ll be accused of racism (Islam is not a race), xenophobia, bigotry etc

The other day I read an article that stated that the biggest threat to Jewish people in Germany does not come from the far right, but from the Islamic quarters. And the far left, their useful idiots.

smallglassbottle · 08/10/2025 16:03

I'm trying to think of any point in history where it's been deemed acceptable for this to happen to a country or region and the inhabitants were expected just to get on with it. It's human nature to defend your territory from incomers who may attack you and take resources etc. Obviously we lost against the Norsemen, Romans and Normans, but I'm assuming we didn't facilitate them coming here. For tens of thousands of years man has been keeping his territory defended, even if they lost. Fat lot of good the modern era is doing us. The country has no money for public services yet can find money for hotels? Is this from the magic hotel money tree?