To feel like the tide of public opinion has turned against the pro-palestine protestors

These people aren't educated and have no intention on educating themselves either. They just go around blind to the facts because they have a narrative in their heads and cant bare to be proved wrong. That's what makes them so dangerous because they spread lies amongst those equally uneducated. It spreads like mould.

But the elephant in the room to that argument is he didn't protect Israel. He supported Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO. And made rash and arrogant decisions (along with other leaders) that enabled 7/10 to be as devastating as it was despite clear warnings. And he knows he won't die in the Hague - he has far too many friends in high places.

I hope all those posters who constantly talk about how nobody supports the war criminal Netanyahu on mumsnet are reading this.

Can the Netanyau fans hear themselves?

Surely most people are just against killing innocent people. So both horrified by the mass killings Hamas committed and by the ongoing genocide in Palestine. With that in mind, I am not against the pro-palestine protestors as they are mostly just trying to raise awareness and demand action to stop a genocide, which is something I want to stop too.

Yes they are called martyrs and have lots of virgins to look forward to apparently.

I’m not sure what it looks like for women and children, but Hamas see them as disposable either way.

Most people acknowledge that what’s happening in Gaza is atrocious. Most Jews and Israelis mourn for the loss of life on both sides.

But there are SO many pro Palestinian activists who literally ignore what happened on 07/10 - or most concerning, justify it. They are not protesting against Benjamin Netanyahu AND Hamas. They are blaming “Israel”.

The tense politics have been going on for decades, but this specific war was instigated on 07/10. To ignore that is highly hypocritical, ignorant and some could argue, antisemitic.

Nope. Don’t agree.

Netanyahu’s background has made him the exact PM Israel needed in this crisis. His aim is to protect Israel and stabilise the region from the constant terrorist threats which there’s not much to argue against.

He was in favour of a one state solution when he was younger, before his brother was killed in a Palestinian plane hijacking rescue mission IIRC.

I don’t believe it makes any sense to say the corruption charges against him has made him decide to continue this war to try to evade them, instead making him an alleged war criminal and the most hated man on the planet. He’s certainly not stupid and a few years in an Israeli jail, IF those charges were proven would be infinitely preferable to dying in The Hague. He’s also at massive risk of assassination when he would be quite comfy in a protected prison in Israel, then welcomed back into the political echelon as other disgraced ministers are as a commentator or to write his memoirs as the longest serving Israeli PM.

Hamas leaders on the other hand are dedicated to their religious calling to annihilate Israel and kill Jews, at the cost of, and actively wanting, their own people to be killed to achieve that.

Absolutely no comparison.

Oh, they don't care about those people.

Who knows, maybe they will care next week? When Palestine is no longer the cause of the day?

I am going to crack the fuck up if Trump is the one who actually pulls of the ceasefire. What are you fuckwits going to do then? Scream for more death and destruction because it is "Trump's Ceasefire"?

Who wants to take bets?

Surely one thing we can agree on is that Netanyahu and Hamas were equally thirsty for this war and to keep it going. For reasons that were nothing to do with the wellbeing of their people. We will get nowhere if we can't acknowledge this.

You’d also think the people going nuts shouting Genocide! (some of them go puce, spitting fury from videos I’ve seen), would be absolutely outraged that Hamas has publicly admitted multiple times that they NEED Palestinians to die for their cause.

I mean how dehumanising is that?

You’d have thought those who shout about the suffering of Palestinians would be vehemently against that and protesting against it.

But crickets…………….

Don’t be silly.

I know that public shaming and purity spiral policing is popular on the left but calling names isn’t actually an argument.

You seem to have failed to realise that the topic of the thread is the people marching, not Israel.

It is entirely reasonably to have concerns about people calling for death and shouting support for terrorists on the streets of our own country.

Or do you think that calls for death and supporting terrorists is a good thing?

I’m glad that you have criticised the actions of protestors who marched on October 7th and who express extreme views. Far, far more of this is needed.

There is far too much of a tendency to see marchers as ‘us’ therefore ‘goodies’ and attempts to minimise, ignore or justify the abhorrent actions of the ones calling for death, supporting Hamas, or provocatively marching on October 7th.

I would love to see decent marchers stop marching alongside the extremists. I would love to see them call it out at marches if they see it. I would love for them to put pressure on the organisers to properly police and weed-out the ones who are bringing the whole thing into disrepute.

Unfortunately after two years we have seen very little of this and I consider the ‘decent’ marchers as enabling and condoning the others by marching with them.

I do wonder about this.

The Palestinians are basically screwed as long as Hamas are calling the shots. They won't allow any significant negotiations to go forward. They won't accept any solution other than the total removal of Jews from the land.

They deliberately provoke Israel and deliberately commit war crimes by placing military installations and weapons in the same place as the civilian people in order to create more carnage that they can use to create political pressure. They are very happy to create civilian martyrs, and child martyrs.

They accept money and arms from Iran to do these things.

I really don't understand why people who want to protest on behalf of the Palestinian people aren't protesting against them.

So are you. So are we all, all fed by the algorithms to form increasingly siloed echo chambers. Your algorithms show you a view skewed to your bias, simple as that.

I think what I can see is the absolute radio silence from the pro protests when it comes to Hamas speaks volumes alone.

You never hear a word against Hamas despite the decades of neglect and starvation they inflicted on the Palestinian people, despite the barrage of death and misery they have inflicted in the region, despite their calls for death to all Jewish people and their refusal to engage in any peaceful solution. Despite the fact we know Iran is paying them to destabilise the region.

Even with the long list of atrocities, and now the death of thousands of innocent people. Still radio silence.

So yes you are supporting Hamas during these marches, parroting their slogans, waving their flags. Celebrating their culture of violence whilst ignoring the horrendous crimes they have committed,

Many posts on this thread are equating all those who have protested against the Gaza situation with the extremists shown yesterday on the media. This really isn't the case - most of us would never see them as speaking for us (and would not have joined a protest on 7/10 out of respect) and are very much pro-peace.

I am not pro Israel. I am not pro anyone, I just want an end to the blood shed like most people.

If you are going to support a death cult like Hamas, and reject peace you need to be upfront about that.

Unless you have another workable solution to this war?

@TicklishMauveSquidi agree! Every interview I hear with pro Palestinian activists they refuse to talk about Hamas or criticise them! I’ve heard women deny the sexual violence that was commited on 7th October and I just can’t get over that! Hamas are horrific… they want the whole obliteration of the Jewish faith! And if you can only stand against Israel and not Hamas, then you’re a hypocrite! (It goes without saying this works both ways)

Well those glaring omissions are what kind of gives the game away of what it’s all about though doesn’t it?

Who is ‘an innocent people’?

Do you include Hamas, the PIJ, the other terrorist factions in Gaza, and their supporters (of which around 90% of civilian adults are) as ‘an innocent people’? Do you think these people have any responsibility for what’s happening in Gaza?

Are you as vociferous in your opinion that Hamas should surrender and release the hostages as you are that Netanyahu is committing war crimes and genocide? You seem to have missed that out.

I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact the Hamas and their supporters have been screaming ‘Genocide!’, ‘Famine!, ‘War Crimes!’ from literally the start of this war and the figures from Hamas themselves betray that fallacy which is just another blood libel to demonise Israel and the Jewish people by extension.

I do actually think you do have to be anti Semitic to a degree to believe the propaganda coming out of Gaza. Some of it is so ridiculously staged it is laughable.

How have you not yet figured out that this war was started deliberately precisely to generate this propaganda because the Palestinians could never defeat Israel militarily?

Again, no response to my question. Why is it that at these pro-Palestine marches, there’s never a call for the downfall of Hamas, or pressure on them to release hostages and step down? Why is there no outrage directed at the neighbouring Arab states that refuse to take in Palestinian refugees, effectively leaving them trapped and suffering? What Israel is doing is horrific, but to deny that Hamas and the surrounding Arab nations are also complicit in this tragedy is something I genuinely struggle to understand.

Agree

If you are supporting the people of Palestine then you will be delighted to get behind the peace plan I assume?

I can’t see many peace marches though just balaclavas, hate speech and incitement.