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AIBU to think the charity shop could have given my neurodivergent child a chance

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Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 19:49

as a retail volunteer. To put in context this is an international charity who promote inclusivity rather than a one off small charity shop. I completely get that my child's interview/chat skills are not top notch but she is cognitively able and willing to try. They went for the chat almost four weeks ago and heard nothing back the advert is still up and I know they contacted the referee before interview and they responded positively. I just feel so disappointed surely they could have offered a trial shift.

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BundleBoogie · 07/10/2025 23:40

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 22:34

Thank.you. She is also keeping an eye out for suitable paid work but there's not much out there at the moment hence the charity shop application.

That sounds great. Are there any other options like an old peoples home helping out with activities or an animal rescue charity? I’m sure prospective employers will be impressed with her work ethic.

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 22:34

BundleBoogie · 07/10/2025 22:31

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

Are there any other local charities your daughter can apply to? It is very rude of Oxfam not to reply to her and well done to dd for wanting to volunteer. Hopefully when she gets over her disappointment she can find something else she’ll enjoy. Wishing her good luck.

Thank.you. She is also keeping an eye out for suitable paid work but there's not much out there at the moment hence the charity shop application.

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BundleBoogie · 07/10/2025 22:31

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 22:25

Oh that's my grammar.

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

Are there any other local charities your daughter can apply to? It is very rude of Oxfam not to reply to her and well done to dd for wanting to volunteer. Hopefully when she gets over her disappointment she can find something else she’ll enjoy. Wishing her good luck.

Pentangle25 · 07/10/2025 22:28

I think Tesco are a fairly inclusive employer. In my local store one of the regular workers is ND, and another Tesco store employs people with Down Syndrome.

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 22:25

BundleBoogie · 07/10/2025 22:16

Just out of interest, I note that after initially referring to your daughter as ‘she’, you have now repeatedly said ‘they’ or ‘their’.

Is this just an odd use of grammar your part or could she have mentioned in her interview that she has specific requests around how other people speak about her which may have put the store off?

Oh that's my grammar.

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RandomGeocache · 07/10/2025 22:17

I haven't volunteered at Oxfam for about 2 years but I think it was more detailed than a basic DBS. They may have changed their policies.

I was just trying to say that there may be loads of practical reasons why they can't accommodate the OP's child right now. It's not necessarily that they didn't like her or she came over badly. There are no hard and fast rules - my son who is ND is counted in the adult ratio as his neurodiversity doesn't hamper decision making or understanding health and safety procedures. My friend's daughter on the other hand also has diagnosed autism and ADD but struggles enormously with interaction with customers and with things giving change or remembering to shut the till after serving. Everyone's different.

It is pretty poor not to provide feedback though.

BundleBoogie · 07/10/2025 22:16

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 19:59

No they don't want to follow it up I think their confidence has taken a big hit. I forgot to mention in my original post that they did declare their neurodiversity on the application form.

Just out of interest, I note that after initially referring to your daughter as ‘she’, you have now repeatedly said ‘they’ or ‘their’.

Is this just an odd use of grammar your part or could she have mentioned in her interview that she has specific requests around how other people speak about her which may have put the store off?

Sparklybutold · 07/10/2025 22:15

Knew it was Oxfam. There inner workings are terrible and they are one of the worst for inclusivity. Remember and interview is a two way process, I wouldn't want my daughter working for these charlatans either, especially after their conduct so far. Draw this up as experience and teach your daughter to dust herself off and apply again, elsewhere. She will learn this best if she sees you practice what you preach.

Pentangle25 · 07/10/2025 22:10

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 22:06

That's interesting because she was asked if she would be OK to be left in the shop on her own but from what you've said she should not even be counted as an able bodied member of staff. It's worrying that the manager doesn't know the health and safety policies of the organization. Obviously not hot on inclusion policies either! She is over 18 and flexible with days so the DBS check availability should not have been a barrier.

A basic DBS check doesn’t take long.

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 22:09

YelloDaisy · 07/10/2025 22:03

Everyone at the Oxfam I volunteer at is ND including the manager - I think everyone who applies gets taken on there

I wish that was the case at our local branch!

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Nothingl3ft · 07/10/2025 22:08

Firkinflea · 07/10/2025 21:51

Someone clearly autistic worked at outlet local tesco for ages. If you weren’t a regular you’d think he was pretty abrupt, but the regulars all took him as he was. ND people need jobs so we need to accept them into our society.

Well exactly, but unfortunately there's the attitude as already displayed on this thread that anyone ND or with mental or physical health issues will just cause a problem and their colleagues won't like it because they think they're getting favourable treatment and if the delivery to the customer/client/patient is slightly different then they'll complain, because it seems to be the most popular hobby for a lot of people right now, complaining about service of any kind, so you're behind before you even start if you have any of those.
It's what makes me laugh (or would if it wasn't quite so horrible) about society demanding that disabled people, those who are ND and those with mental illness must work - in order to get jobs we have to be treated equally, and whilst that can be enforced for an employer, no one's forcing the general public to do the same, so it's not going to work.

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 22:06

RandomGeocache · 07/10/2025 21:55

I used to be an Oxfam volunteer, my own ND son still is. When I was there we had several adult and young volunteers with additional support needs.

Charities are very hot on safeguarding and in order to have under 18s in the shop, the manager, deputy or lead volunteer on duty that shift need to be PVG or DBS checked. This takes time. A volunteer with additional needs does not count towards the "two able bodied adults on duty at all times" rule, which can cause massive issues if there are no able bodied adults but lots of ND/additional needs people who want to volunteer.

Staff turnover of paid staff can be high, and if the shop is down a manager or trying to recruit they may just not have time to train new members of the team - any new member of the team. They may be awash with Saturday morning teenage volunteers but need people on a Tuesday morning for example.

There may be all sorts of legal, practical and safeguarding reasons why they just can't accommodate your child at present.

That's interesting because she was asked if she would be OK to be left in the shop on her own but from what you've said she should not even be counted as an able bodied member of staff. It's worrying that the manager doesn't know the health and safety policies of the organization. Obviously not hot on inclusion policies either! She is over 18 and flexible with days so the DBS check availability should not have been a barrier.

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YelloDaisy · 07/10/2025 22:03

Everyone at the Oxfam I volunteer at is ND including the manager - I think everyone who applies gets taken on there

Pentangle25 · 07/10/2025 22:03

RandomGeocache · 07/10/2025 21:58

The under 18 rule may not apply, but depending on the level of her needs she may be classed as a "vulnerable adult" so again will not count towards the ratio.

No one has to disclose a disability when applying for a job. I don’t tick the disability box.

Springtimehere · 07/10/2025 22:02

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RandomGeocache · 07/10/2025 21:58

The under 18 rule may not apply, but depending on the level of her needs she may be classed as a "vulnerable adult" so again will not count towards the ratio.

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 21:56

TheFallenMadonna · 07/10/2025 21:37

My 20 yo daughter volunteered in a charity shop over the summer. It was very inclusive in terms of staffing. Not marvellous in terms of HR though. I think it might be worth chasing? There aren't many staff in at a time, and rules about under 18s, so that might have something to do with it if there's lots of applicants (and I think charity shops are seen as a gentle-ish place for people to gain experience - my daughter included).

She isn't a cow bag and neither were the other volunteers.

Thanks. Good to hear about the inclusivity and positivity. My child is 18 so the under 18 rule won't apply.

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RandomGeocache · 07/10/2025 21:55

I used to be an Oxfam volunteer, my own ND son still is. When I was there we had several adult and young volunteers with additional support needs.

Charities are very hot on safeguarding and in order to have under 18s in the shop, the manager, deputy or lead volunteer on duty that shift need to be PVG or DBS checked. This takes time. A volunteer with additional needs does not count towards the "two able bodied adults on duty at all times" rule, which can cause massive issues if there are no able bodied adults but lots of ND/additional needs people who want to volunteer.

Staff turnover of paid staff can be high, and if the shop is down a manager or trying to recruit they may just not have time to train new members of the team - any new member of the team. They may be awash with Saturday morning teenage volunteers but need people on a Tuesday morning for example.

There may be all sorts of legal, practical and safeguarding reasons why they just can't accommodate your child at present.

stomachamelon · 07/10/2025 21:55

@mummymissessunshinethats made me chuckle as my very slow and methodical youngest has ‘multi microwave user’ on his skills part of his cv :)

Firkinflea · 07/10/2025 21:51

Someone clearly autistic worked at outlet local tesco for ages. If you weren’t a regular you’d think he was pretty abrupt, but the regulars all took him as he was. ND people need jobs so we need to accept them into our society.

Pentangle25 · 07/10/2025 21:48

Newmeagain · 07/10/2025 21:42

@AngelinaFibres why do you assume that someone who is ND would not be able to do the work??? I hope you do realise that there are many ND people who are doctors, scientists, lawyers, actors, shop workers, etc.

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Midwives, nurses, teachers, paramedics, social workers, engineers, train drivers.

Newmeagain · 07/10/2025 21:42

@AngelinaFibres why do you assume that someone who is ND would not be able to do the work??? I hope you do realise that there are many ND people who are doctors, scientists, lawyers, actors, shop workers, etc.

Pentangle25 · 07/10/2025 21:41

I have seen charity shop managers being mean to volunteers with disabilities (Scope, Oxfam) so it’s a lucky escape. How downright rude not to even give a response.

TheFallenMadonna · 07/10/2025 21:37

My 20 yo daughter volunteered in a charity shop over the summer. It was very inclusive in terms of staffing. Not marvellous in terms of HR though. I think it might be worth chasing? There aren't many staff in at a time, and rules about under 18s, so that might have something to do with it if there's lots of applicants (and I think charity shops are seen as a gentle-ish place for people to gain experience - my daughter included).

She isn't a cow bag and neither were the other volunteers.

Fairydusthello · 07/10/2025 21:37

stomachamelon · 07/10/2025 21:22

I know I have said this before and I promise I don’t work for them but my sons (with very varying autism) have all worked for Wetherspoons and they were really receptive and inclusive. One of them is now in management and I can’t speak highly enough of them.

That's great to hear about Wetherspoons

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