Murder

Why did my brain go straight to "ooh - you could take them out and then go on a random tour of the UK dropping a singular tooth in a bit in each location"?!

Oh shut up I havent expressed an opinion on homlesness ir homelsee people. Have you been to San Francisco? I go several times a year.

Women are by far the biggest group of people that watch crime dramas and documentaries and listen to true crime podcasts, yet most (caught) serial killers are men...

Could it be that there are scores of female serial killers out there that are literally getting away with murder through everything the TV has taught them?!

I know this is a jokey thread but your opinion on homeless people is vile.

I imagine most people who get away with murder do so because of limited resources to investigate and luck rather than them being masterminds with careful plans in place.

In reality its very hard to pull off nowadays. I would say nearly impossible if you are known to the victim. Police are much more competent and have been hugely enabled by tech.There is a digital record of every move you make.

Its generally a first attempt, and as with any first attempt at a task, it often goes wrong. Some of the ways in which "clever" people who have planned it carefully get caught are laughable. In the US Joel Guy Junior (who murdered both parents) left a "To do list" at the crime scene. The first item on his list was "Get killing knives". He went to a school for gifted kids, so not an IQ issue.

I'd say no because of CCTV etc, but given they haven't found the guy who pushed the woman in front of the bus in London despite the footage, maybe I'm too trusting in the system.

As others have said the only time I would think about this is if someone seriously hurt one of my children. My method would be opioid drugs. I'd buy up supplies from homeless people slowly then lace their drink with massive amounts so they'd overdose. Or, I obviously haven't done this, but if required id try and buy Fentanyl on the dark web using a vpn in a library or similar.

Jeez… we need a 😮emoji!!

I love the fact that it is always something seemingly small and benign that trips them up in these real life cases.

I vaguely remember Richard Osman saying on TRIE that once you’d managed to avoid being caught by CCTV, phone records etc, he thought the best thing to do was to sow seeds of doubt in court when you were being tried by having left things at the scene that meant enough plausible doubt for you not to be convicted — I think he suggested a glove that was far too small for you that you could be asked to try on in court.

But leaving someone else’s DNA at the scene (as is done in his We Solve Murders book) would be better.

His logic is not to try to avoid suspicion, but to sow enough doubt so that a jury can’t convict you.

My kids training to be a CSI so maybe with some help 😂

Fucking hell. 😳 *gulp

Not now with ring cameras and cctv everywhere. Plus the amount of hair I lose everyday id be leaving dna behind like anything

A spur of the moment murder? I very much doubt it.
One I'd planned? A pretty reasonable chance I reckon.

Fortunately, no plans to do any such thing!

Don’t think so; it tends to be messier than one expects, at some point!

I have more.

There is quite a famous case where someone in the USA almost got away with it.

He murdered his wife, froze her solid and then took her out in to the woods near a river with chipper and chippered her body in to the river.

He was caught because his wife had a letter in her pocket that didn't completely disintegrate and because he hired the chipper in his own name with a credit card.

😀

I've always thought if I had to commit murder it would be in the states because it's so vast and there's so many places in the middle of nowhere where you would never get caught on cctv. Just googled and they have about a 50 percent chance of solving a homicide!

Ooh @sashh some of those ideas are positively genius evil… might have to borrow some in my next creative writing project…

I don't think pushing someone down the stairs is a good way to do it, there's too much of a risk they might not die and they could tell the police.

I have watched enough documentaries and listened to enough murder podcasts that I should be an expert on how not to get caught, but in reality I'm too chaotic and not methodical enough. I also moult like a labrador.

You could just leave the pig to it and not watch…?

There's some brilliant Netflix episodes about people accused of murder, I'm thinking of the spiral staircase in particular. It took me ages after I had watched it all to realise that yes of course he had done it, the guy was so convincing when protesting his innocence.

So yes, as well as making a good plan and having strength of will, you'd have to be absolutely convincing when denying it, as well as having a cast iron alibi (but not too good because that's suspicious too).

I used to fantasise about having my neighbour from hell murdered. Even now, having moved away years ago, I occasionally scan the local newspaper, hoping to read of his demise.

You'd get found out when the plod come sniffing around and find his belt buckle...

I think to get away with it you need it to look like an accident or something to blur the waters and get manslaughter.

The comments about drink driving, dangerous driving etc are also valid.

If you are male you stand more chance of getting away with it, just say the person you murdered was into 'rough sex'.

Mick Philpott tried to murder an ex girlfriend and her mother. The ex, Kim Hill was stabbed repeatedly resulting in a collapsed lung, a punctured bladder, kidney and liver.

Philpott spent 3 years in prison.

I suppose the other thing is to carefully leave a false trail that someone else did it.

So borrow the patsy's phone to research methods, 'borrow' their phone and take it on a little trip. Borrow their car and drive through a couple of red lights disguised as the patsy.

Carbon monoxide would be a good one, a dodgy water heater can produce that. The problem is you need to inhale a well and if you only have a bit in your blood stream then that will indicate you were not in the house.

I suppose if you could get the person exposed and then 'discover' them.

Eg, say it was your partner, arrange a winter weekend away in an isolated little cottage somewhere. Get them there then get hold of a gas heater, start to use it without opening any windows (you may have to bring this with you or have hidden it some where). Turn off the actual cottage heating so the only heat appears to be the gas heater

Then you need an excuse to leave, maybe you have just started your period and need to get supplies. This is why the cottage has to be isolated.

On the way back you run out of petrol so you have to wait for the AA / RAC so this further delays you.

But the plan isn't fool proof.

Your partner needs to not know you have to open a window with those heaters.
Your partner not noticing the heating is off and turning it back on or contacting the owner of the cottage.

Sometimes I worry about me.

50 years ago i think it was definitely easier. The tech we have now and the amount of cctv/ringdoorbells etc means it's much more likely you'll get caught. There's other countries though that I think you'd find it easier to get away with it.