Murder

Yes but eventually he made mistakes.
Funnily enough I knew him professionally, nice chap (it seemed). If I had to pick any of the GPs I knew as a murderer it would not have been him

Harold Shipman got away with it for years. So I think being an upstanding member of the community and some medical knowledge, and of course access to drugs.

Morally I think I could do it but very few people get away with it now due to forensics.

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Maybe you do 😉

I'm bloody glad I don't know some of you lot in real life! 😨 😅

If you stab someone in the lung first they can't scream.

But it would probably be better to knock them out first.

On TV it seems like anyone can get hold of chloroform.

I've just thought of another method you might get away with. If you could cause a disaster, you would kill / injure many people including the one you want rid of, you would have to be a total psychopath. There would have to be distance between you and the disaster.

Maybe radicalise someone to carry out an attack, but you would have to cover your radicalisation contact.

If you could get your subject in to prison it may be possible to bribe another prisoner. But again you would have to cover any contact.

I'm spending too much time thinking about this aren't I?

I have! Ever since I was a child. Nobody I want to murder though, honestly!

I suppose the main problem is always how to conceal / destroy the body without covering yourself in forensic evidence. In a place as densely-populated as the UK, anyway, where bodies are so often found by dog-walkers etc. Maybe you need somewhere with proper wilderness, where a body could go down a ravine or something in an area where maybe nobody will come along for years.

Second thoughts, maybe the perfect murder doesn't look like one; that gets mistaken for an accident or something, or a person who's been killed in war or a disaster zone.

True - I should have added "element of surprise" - they never see it coming, so no screaming and no struggle which would transfer forensic evidence to the killer. Something that can be done from a distance. But guns are noisy. Bow and arrow?

One thing I find staggering after reading how some criminals have been caught is the amount of people who think deleting their browsing history on their devices or restoring their phones to factory settings means the police won’t be able find out about their incriminating online searches and messages.

As a fledgeling crime writer, but doing my PhD in crime fiction I regularly search dodgy stuff and often put ‘for writers’ in google just in case I trigger Interpol!!

It's amazing the amount of men people that kill someone and think they'll get away with it because they're far cleverer than the police

It's also amazing how many men people then go on to say they're going to be interviewed without a solicitor, defend themselves at trial because they believe themselves to be intellectually superior to anyone else.

Oh god, don't do that! I have to deal with some really painful professionals, and thinking how I'd run them over on a country lane lightens the mood in some of our meetings.

When I sit back and visably relax and smile that's my happy place. Easy by the Commodores is playing as I do it 🤣

Since the advent of DNA I’ve been forced to delete my hit list. I feel the window of opportunity has now gone. Shame really.

Being a published crime novelist would be a great way of covering a digital footprint for researching techniques

Not a chance. I'd also probably confess to it because I couldn't live with what I'd done.

Wonder if any rookie cops (or bored DIs) are eyeballing this thread... 🤷‍♀️ 😅

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My friends know not to cross me...

Yes.

Elderly relatives and neighbours could easily take a planned tumble down the stairs.

Not that I would.

No need to get clever with elaborate plots. You just need plausible deniability. Join the police, shoot someone carrying a table leg in a bag and claim you felt threatened. Or you could get elected, vote in austerity measures, dismantle public health services or set up ICE.

Not bad at all @Elsvieta but the person’s screams or shouting may be heard by someone. And it relies on that person not having a device with them.

Ram a cyclist in your car and claim SMIDSY in court and that they weren't wearing a helmet or hi-vis. You'll escape with a fine and some points on your license.

You seem to have given this alot of thought....

The ones who know how to get away with it aren't going to come on here and tell you, are they. That's part of why they do get away with it. 😉 The most successful killers are not the ones we know about, it's the ones we don't know about.

And loads more that are noticed, but go unsolved. People don't always slip up, by any means.

Never wanted to murder anyone, but I've always found it an interesting question what the perfect murder would be. I suppose: happens outdoors, in a place with no particular connection to either victim or killer. Nobody else even knows there's any connection between victim and killer - whatever is motivating killer, nobody else knows about it. Nobody is going to miss the victim or report it for at least a day or two. Body can be concealed fairly near place of death, in a way that makes it unlikely to be found. And these days, ideally neither party has a phone on them. Neither arrives at location of murder by car, or via a route that can be tracked with CCTV all the way. Victim is somehow induced to go there alone and of their own volition - no abduction. Killer has a watertight plan for disposal of weapon and their own clothes before going home (clean clothes hidden somewhere maybe?). Perhaps a shower somewhere other than home - leisure centre or something.

It's weird I can't ever seem to get into crime fiction, because I do kind of like working out these kinds of plots....