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To think this is a poor excuse for men not wanting to enter these jobs?

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PrincessSophieFrederike · 07/10/2025 00:24

I came across this interesting Substack post the other day from a US feminist. She was talking about the lack of men entering professions like veterinary medicine, teaching, library science, etc which are now female-dominated, despite the fact that these were all originally male-only professions. She argues that men are put off female dominated jobs for fear of being seen as less masculine. She had a similar argument for why men are enrolling less in college there.

I also think a factor is that female-dominated workplaces may have on average communication styles which rely more on indirect messaging & ways of expressing conflict, whereas male-dominated workplaces tend to resolve conflict & compete more overtly. Ofc this is a stereotype & not true for many people, but I has some accuracy.

Overall, I do find it a bit of a frustrating excuse. I can understand men who prefer stereotypical male communication styles feeling less comfortable in a female-dominated workplace. Another factor is that women are more likely to promote woke stuff like TRA stuff which many, maybe most, men dislike. (Obvs many women do too, but unluckily women also promote it more). I can also understand concerns about making friends in a female-dominated workplace. (Ofc men & women can be friends, but they might understandably want more men around. Plus a lot of women might be suspicious of a man's female friends- sometimes with good reason.)

I have a lot of sympathy for things like the decline of traditional manual labour & spaces to meet & , the resultant rise in poor male mental health & suicide. But on this issue I'm more sceptical.

Women had to enter plenty of workplaces where until recently they had been legally banned. Sexual harassment is still a big problem in quite a few jobs. Generally women were told to toughen up, for a long time.
Whereas looking up other articles, we're told how men are 'intimidated' by going into a 60% female veterinary class. As I said above, I sympathise with some concerns they might have, but 'intimidated' seems a bit much. Ofc women can be bullies, but I doubt men who enter such jobs will be sexually harassed or seen as less competent due to their sex. Anecdotally, my gran always told me that the few male teachers at the school she taught at were very popular with the female staff. Surely it's similar for other jobs sometimes?

TLDR : AIBU to think it's a bit much for articles to talk about men being intimidated by female-dominated colleges & workplaces, whereas until recently (and some still say this) women were told to toughen up & adapt to male-dominated (and often sexist) ones?

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Morningsleepin · 07/10/2025 01:42

IMHO, once a profession is seen as being dominated by women, there is a significant drop in salaries.

PrincessSophieFrederike · 07/10/2025 01:31

EBearhug · 07/10/2025 00:45

I can believe men say they'd be intimidated. I work in a male dominated field. I was talking to a colleague who was complaining about things organised for (by) the women's network. I pointed out that men were also free to join. "But I'd be the only man in the room!" he said - without the slightest hint of recognition that I am very frequently literally the only woman in the room.

There's evidence that as a field becomes more female dominated, average salaries,go down. This has happened in dentistry as an example. And then men are even less likely to choose it.

But my instant reaction is, "stop being pathetic and get over yourselves."

That's ironic : I do think some of it is definitely men perhaps not liking not being in the majority (the same types commenting on the article to say 'women have driven men out' are often the ones who tell women to join trades if they want higher pay, ignoring the misogynistic culture some have that often puts women off)

Agree re the pay. I read another interesting article on that recently- also US but applies here too probably:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html#commentsContainer

As Women Take Over a Male-Dominated Field, the Pay Drops (Published 2016)

Work done by women pays less because women do it, research shows.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html#commentsContainer

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PrincessSophieFrederike · 07/10/2025 01:26

I do think the article generalised about various professions having 'male flight' when each have discrete reasons for being female-dominated.
Gymnastics, for instance: arguably the rise of great female gymnasts like Comaneci & Korbut helped make the face of the sport more female. Simone Biles is a more recent example ofc. I do think that this is a bit of a US-centric example : US standards for men needing to be tall & muscular seem to have got stricter if anything. And with that, male gymnasts are seen as a less masculine. We see that in countries like Russia & China, with different standards, male gymnasts are still admired.

Interior design: yes, the profession has more women overall, but men still hold most of the top positions. So is it really an example of 'male flight'?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=riluxa.com/blog/design-trends-3/69-of-interior-designers-are-women-so-why-do-men-still-take-so-much-of-the-credit-427%3Fsrsltid%3DAfmBOooEYtAtS3oFZDKRbCPKDkRrCF8xsLbAc7lAItMbE6qwcuGmM2h&ved=2ahUKEwj58Yro6JCQAxWcUUEAHfdBFCgQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2OLhj2Gsn1RMRQmZmj-6C5

Architecture- numbers are more equal at university, but the profession is still male-dominated in both UK & US. So not a good example of 'male flight.'

https://www.architecture.com/knowledge-and-resources/knowledge-landing-page/barriers-for-women-in-architecture#:~:text=In%20the%20UK%2C%20there%20have,Photo:%20Sumita%20Singha%2C%20author)

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PrincessSophieFrederike · 07/10/2025 00:54

HerewardtheSleepy · 07/10/2025 00:43

In the US possibly. Outside the US I am very doubtful.

Not sure...but I agree the US is more sexist.

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EBearhug · 07/10/2025 00:45

I can believe men say they'd be intimidated. I work in a male dominated field. I was talking to a colleague who was complaining about things organised for (by) the women's network. I pointed out that men were also free to join. "But I'd be the only man in the room!" he said - without the slightest hint of recognition that I am very frequently literally the only woman in the room.

There's evidence that as a field becomes more female dominated, average salaries,go down. This has happened in dentistry as an example. And then men are even less likely to choose it.

But my instant reaction is, "stop being pathetic and get over yourselves."

HerewardtheSleepy · 07/10/2025 00:43

In the US possibly. Outside the US I am very doubtful.

PrincessSophieFrederike · 07/10/2025 00:35

And this is the article talking about men being intimidated by the number of female vet students.

https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2010-12-15/study-seeks-explain-feminization-veterinary-profession

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