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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

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Poetnojo · 06/10/2025 17:38

pumpkinscake · 06/10/2025 12:19

The marches are protesting genocide.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 17:26

Rocknrollstar · 06/10/2025 17:14

This is not a huge trend in this country as yet, but it is a trend in France and other European countries.
Also, to correct another comment, they are not going back to Israel. They are French or British people deciding they are no longer safe in the country of their birth.

In France it's illegal to wear a burkini.isnt it? Or a burkha? Is that ok?

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 17:25

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 16:56

You put it so well and so powerfully @legrandcolbert I'm not Jewish, but I see what I see. And that is casual anti-semitism, quite regularly, and Jew hatred in the pro-Palestininan marches.

And in the face of this, I can see why Israel needs to exist.Not only have Jews been in the Middle East forever (long before the Muslims), they need a place of sanctuary. When all else fails, Jews can find sanctuary in Israel, their ancient territory.

Thank you so much Parma. I so rarely stick my head above the parapet but am just sick to death of it all.

Growing up, I was almost ashamed to be Jewish. I went to a predominantly CofE school, and in my year, there were only two other Jews. I had no Jewish friends, quite a lot of antisemitic teachers who took great glee in making comments about my absence from school at the beginning of each school year due to Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. I have been othered, and to a degree, Schrodinger's Jews. To white for some, not white enough for others. The irony is of course that despite coming from an unblemished and totally pure Jewish line, indeed, no-one has ever married out and I also have two BCRA mutations, am only culturally and ethnically Jewish. Although we observed Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, we didn't keep kosher, we rarely went to shul, and I have never been to Israel. Heck, for various reasons, my father did not have a bat mitzvah.

Over the years, I distanced myself from Judaism. And besides, it's something that flows in one's blood, not dependent on religious beliefs. However, over the pandemic, I had some older Jewish friends and they invited me for various things, and it was brilliant. I started to properly embrace my heritage and did a lot of reading. Antisemitism has. always been on my radar but because I don't look stereotypically Jewish (in itself an antisemitic thing to think/say), a lot of people would talk shit about Jews, not realising I was one. And then October 7 happened. I woke up. I became proud of my heritage, after all, my family line exists because it has managed to survive when so many others Jewish people have been killed. Survival is literally in my blood. I properly embraced my Jewish heritage, and it made me realise I needed to stand up and be more vocal. While I do not condone Netanyhau's actions, I understand why he is doing what he is doing. Fair play to him for taking Hamas on.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 17:25

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 17:05

The greatest achievement of radical Islamists in recent decades has been how they have managed to expose the gullibility of the masses worldwide, most notably in the West. They have proven that the vast majority of people, even in this day and age, still subscribe to a sort of hive mind mentality. In times when you would think humans are smarter than ever before due to the means we have to access information, the opposite seems true.
This is not entirely new. For thousands of years, humans have been manipulated through groupthink, propaganda, and emotional appeals, from rulers and religious leaders to revolutionary movements. The tools and platforms may have changed, but the mechanism remains the same: exploit trust, exploit empathy, and shape perception before reason has a chance to intervene. What these radical Islamists demonstrated, more specifically the terrorist group Hamas, is simply the modern, digital-age version of an age-old tactic, amplified globally through social media and 24-hour news cycles.
So how do we know that Hamas engaged in this manipulation? Hamas itself admitted in its official post-7 October report, "Our Narrative... Operation Al-Aqsa Flood," that the attacks were designed to advance a deliberate propaganda campaign portraying Israel as committing "genocide" in Gaza. This framed Israeli responses as the real atrocity to counter the horrors of the 7 October attack, which ironically fits the actual definition of genocide far better. The goal was to sway gullible Western audiences. Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad even boasted that this narrative successfully shifted global perceptions, leading to recognition of a Palestinian state. In short, they engineered the "genocide" smear to weaponise sympathy and justify their terror. The strategy worked precisely because it preyed on ignorance, emotional bias, and the eagerness of many in the West to accept simple narratives over inconvenient truths.
Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad: “We will repeat October 7-like massacres until Israel is annihilated.”

Indeed. It is rather cult like

So it's fine to say 'radical islamists' are poisoning people's minds and manipulating whole countries but NOTA OK to suggest the Israeli government is approaching their attacks in Gaza too heavy handedly?

Its ok to use the term radical islamist but Zionist?

Can you explain that to me like I'm 5 please?

Quackcow · 06/10/2025 17:22

HappyGolmore2 · 06/10/2025 17:14

yes, unfortunately they are. Still, if I was committing genocide I's probably want to hide that too.

Yes, Israel is undertaking the war under the cloak of secrecy. No news or images are getting out, successfully stopping baseless speculation about its activities 🙄

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 17:22

HappyGolmore2 · 06/10/2025 17:19

I feel the same way about those moving to Israel as I do those people who are apparently up and leaving for Dubai for a 'better life' - you're welcome to it.

Again, a completely graceless - and pretty anti-semitic - statement given recent events, and tangible proof (October 7 2023 anyone???) of Jew-hatred.

Bambamhoohoo · 06/10/2025 17:22

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 17:00

They're usually volunteers from the congregation. Trained by the CST. There may be the odd private security person that's not the norm. My husband takes his turn outside for an hour or so during a service. I worry when he's out there.

I’m not surprised. It’s terrifying x

HappyGolmore2 · 06/10/2025 17:19

I feel the same way about those moving to Israel as I do those people who are apparently up and leaving for Dubai for a 'better life' - you're welcome to it.

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 17:14

Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 17:09

OP is deluded

That is a completely graceless thing to say after 2 Jews were killed as the result of a Jew-hating terrorist.

HappyGolmore2 · 06/10/2025 17:14

Swiftie1878 · 06/10/2025 17:08

Israel is keeping journalists out. And killing any that make it in. Hmmmm…

yes, unfortunately they are. Still, if I was committing genocide I's probably want to hide that too.

Rocknrollstar · 06/10/2025 17:14

mugglewump · 06/10/2025 10:54

There are over 1/4 million Jews in Britain. This is a story about 2 families moving/going back to Israel. Is this really a trend?

IMO anti-semetism and anti-Israeli government are not the same thing. I am proud of my Jewish heritage, I find Netanyahu dispicable.

This is not a huge trend in this country as yet, but it is a trend in France and other European countries.
Also, to correct another comment, they are not going back to Israel. They are French or British people deciding they are no longer safe in the country of their birth.

InsectsMatter · 06/10/2025 17:14

Despicable woman cutting down Hostage Ribbons placed by the Jewish Community of Muswell Hill in London

The same week of the Synagogue Attacks in Manchester.

The UK has a problem. This is getting out of hand.

x.com/koshercockney/status/1975191749447328147?s=46&t=S8Gb0A21TMstMQFJOwmSsQ

HappyGolmore2 · 06/10/2025 17:13

Araminta1003 · 06/10/2025 12:35

There comes a point though when the general public gets fed up with expensive police time being squandered on marches rather than catching actual criminals and protecting the vulnerable in this country. I think we are there now! So let’s hope they do a peace deal in Gaza.

If the 'public' get fed up of our right to protest, then we truly are fucked.

Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 17:09

OP is deluded

Swiftie1878 · 06/10/2025 17:08

Israel is keeping journalists out. And killing any that make it in. Hmmmm…

Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 17:08

Keep on trying to prove your right and you’re going lose it all

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 17:05

The greatest achievement of radical Islamists in recent decades has been how they have managed to expose the gullibility of the masses worldwide, most notably in the West. They have proven that the vast majority of people, even in this day and age, still subscribe to a sort of hive mind mentality. In times when you would think humans are smarter than ever before due to the means we have to access information, the opposite seems true.
This is not entirely new. For thousands of years, humans have been manipulated through groupthink, propaganda, and emotional appeals, from rulers and religious leaders to revolutionary movements. The tools and platforms may have changed, but the mechanism remains the same: exploit trust, exploit empathy, and shape perception before reason has a chance to intervene. What these radical Islamists demonstrated, more specifically the terrorist group Hamas, is simply the modern, digital-age version of an age-old tactic, amplified globally through social media and 24-hour news cycles.
So how do we know that Hamas engaged in this manipulation? Hamas itself admitted in its official post-7 October report, "Our Narrative... Operation Al-Aqsa Flood," that the attacks were designed to advance a deliberate propaganda campaign portraying Israel as committing "genocide" in Gaza. This framed Israeli responses as the real atrocity to counter the horrors of the 7 October attack, which ironically fits the actual definition of genocide far better. The goal was to sway gullible Western audiences. Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad even boasted that this narrative successfully shifted global perceptions, leading to recognition of a Palestinian state. In short, they engineered the "genocide" smear to weaponise sympathy and justify their terror. The strategy worked precisely because it preyed on ignorance, emotional bias, and the eagerness of many in the West to accept simple narratives over inconvenient truths.
Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad: “We will repeat October 7-like massacres until Israel is annihilated.”

Indeed. It is rather cult like

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 17:04

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 16:02

Some food for thought - You Think There is a Genocide in Gaza

The greatest achievement of radical Islamists in recent decades has been how they have managed to expose the gullibility of the masses worldwide, most notably in the West. They have proven that the vast majority of people, even in this day and age, still subscribe to a sort of hive mind mentality. In times when you would think humans are smarter than ever before due to the means we have to access information, the opposite seems true.
This is not entirely new. For thousands of years, humans have been manipulated through groupthink, propaganda, and emotional appeals, from rulers and religious leaders to revolutionary movements. The tools and platforms may have changed, but the mechanism remains the same: exploit trust, exploit empathy, and shape perception before reason has a chance to intervene. What these radical Islamists demonstrated, more specifically the terrorist group Hamas, is simply the modern, digital-age version of an age-old tactic, amplified globally through social media and 24-hour news cycles.
So how do we know that Hamas engaged in this manipulation? Hamas itself admitted in its official post-7 October report, "Our Narrative... Operation Al-Aqsa Flood," that the attacks were designed to advance a deliberate propaganda campaign portraying Israel as committing "genocide" in Gaza. This framed Israeli responses as the real atrocity to counter the horrors of the 7 October attack, which ironically fits the actual definition of genocide far better. The goal was to sway gullible Western audiences. Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad even boasted that this narrative successfully shifted global perceptions, leading to recognition of a Palestinian state. In short, they engineered the "genocide" smear to weaponise sympathy and justify their terror. The strategy worked precisely because it preyed on ignorance, emotional bias, and the eagerness of many in the West to accept simple narratives over inconvenient truths.
Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad: “We will repeat October 7-like massacres until Israel is annihilated.”

Indeed. It is rather cult like

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ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 17:03

I think you are also forgetting that Israel handed back Gaza, fleeing the strip. Gaza was prosperous, had green and glasshouses full of flowers and oranges to sell. That was some of their main exports. They also were given billions in foreiga aid. And what did Gazand do? Voted in Hamas who stole all the aid to line their pockets while they lived in Egypt, Qatar (to name a few places) and methodically stripped Gaza of any assets while building tunnels under the strip that are more expansive than the London Underground. From day one, Gaza was lobbing missiles into Israel and have done so ever since. Gaza are the ones constantly starting wars and they have no issue using their own citizens as collateral damage. Israel warn in advance of any missiles or attacks, they also drop aid. Gaza and Hamas do not do anything to help their own, they only use them to destroy Jews.

This. People need to remember this. The Gazans invited Hamas into their community. Israel had withdrawn.

Again, I judge Hamas by their actions.

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 17:00

Bambamhoohoo · 06/10/2025 16:58

Although I’m familiar with synagogue security (I’m in outer north London) it does sort of blow my mind that they exist for the reasoning they do.

They are private security like, say, bouncers. Terrorist attack prevention is a very different ballgame. These men, if they’re being paid at all, are being paid next to nothing and their purpose is to keep mass murders out of synagogue.
I believe the security guards in Manchester were some of the injured and it blows my mind that that was their purpose. To take on murderers. They’re just normal men.

They're usually volunteers from the congregation. Trained by the CST. There may be the odd private security person that's not the norm. My husband takes his turn outside for an hour or so during a service. I worry when he's out there.

Doobiesista · 06/10/2025 17:00

decenteringmen · 06/10/2025 14:58

ANTI ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI SEMITISM.

Yes it is according the IHRA definition which is the definition that the Labour party use and most EU member states. And at least 2/3 British Jews consider themselves to be Zionist. Probably more. Zionism is just the belief that Jews should have a homeland in Israel. It says nothing about politics or occupation or borders. Many many Zionists (most that I know) also believe in a two state solution. It's very hard to separate Jews from Israel but that is not the same as saying that all Jews are responsible for the actions of the Israeli government or agree with them.

Bambamhoohoo · 06/10/2025 16:58

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 16:47

My non-Jewish friends couldn't believe we had security for the synagogue part of our wedding. I hadn't even thought twice about it, it's just always there.

Although I’m familiar with synagogue security (I’m in outer north London) it does sort of blow my mind that they exist for the reasoning they do.

They are private security like, say, bouncers. Terrorist attack prevention is a very different ballgame. These men, if they’re being paid at all, are being paid next to nothing and their purpose is to keep mass murders out of synagogue.
I believe the security guards in Manchester were some of the injured and it blows my mind that that was their purpose. To take on murderers. They’re just normal men.

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 16:56

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 11:50

The Jewish population of the UK is less than half of one percent, so around 300,000. That's a minuscule amount, but many of us have been here for centuries, ever since Thomas Cromwell allowed us back into the country (having been expelled in the later 1200s (I think). As for others, some, like my family came to the UK in the late 1800s as a result of pogroms in Eastern Europe.

I might be ethnically Jewish, but I am also British, born in London, hold a UK passport. English is my mother tongue. Unusually for a Jew, I do not speak or read Hebrew although I can speak a little Yiddish. Tell me; where should I go?

More importantly, why should I leave? Why can't more be done to ensure antisemitism is properly stamped out. Zero tolerance, nothing less. Why is hatred of Jews - that's what antisemitism means - so endemic in the UK? One only has to read threads on here. It's insidious, it's so ingrained in the very fabric of the UK that many do not even realise they are antisemitic/supporting antisemitic tropes. There is also little knowledge about the history of the middle east, or even the fact that Judaism predates Islam by many millennia. This is frustrating, more so when I have people tell me that they have no problem with the modern state of Israel, but.... The but is always followed by something either antisemitic or woefully ignorant about Jewish history. Getting back to the UK, from the moment Jews came here, there has been antisemitism. It was at fever pitch in the 1930s and 40s thanks in part to the press such as the Daily Mail whipping up an antisemitic frenzy. It was only during the war when they realised what was happening to Jews in Europe that the Daily Mail changed tracks. But, over time, the antisemitism has crept back in, how could it not? It is never far from the surface. Today, the media are still culpable, ditto the present government.

To return to WWII, when fleeing Eastern Europe, many Jews choose not to settle in the UK because they did not feel safe here, it was too close to Europe. I have long wished my family had gone to the US too.

In real life, I do not engage with discussions about being Jewish or what is happening in Israel and Gaza because it's too distressing. I do not leave the house when there are marches happening as I feel uncomfortable, not that anyone would even know I am Jewish. But, I live in Central London, and seeing throngs of people supporting those who would happily see death to all Jews is too much for me. I make no bones that Hamas = radical Islam who are unashamed in their desire to kill all Jews (much like they are killing Nigerian Christians at present). While some attend pro-Palestinian marches with good liberal intentions, they're useful idiots blithely ignoring that one day, they will be Hamas' next target. They are, and to repeat, happily joining forces with those whom do not have good intentions, those who do truly hated Jews.

You put it so well and so powerfully @legrandcolbert I'm not Jewish, but I see what I see. And that is casual anti-semitism, quite regularly, and Jew hatred in the pro-Palestininan marches.

And in the face of this, I can see why Israel needs to exist.Not only have Jews been in the Middle East forever (long before the Muslims), they need a place of sanctuary. When all else fails, Jews can find sanctuary in Israel, their ancient territory.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/10/2025 16:53

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 16:47

My non-Jewish friends couldn't believe we had security for the synagogue part of our wedding. I hadn't even thought twice about it, it's just always there.

I’m not Jewish and was invited to a Bat Mitzvah in Manchester last year, it seemed surreal that something so innocent and happy should need security, particularly as the vibe of that particular shul reminded me more of a Quaker meeting house than anything else, very homespun and peace loving.

cholent99 · 06/10/2025 16:52

BoredZelda · 06/10/2025 11:06

What more? It is illegal, it is prosecuted, it is socially unacceptable. What else do you want?

This is absolutely not true.

This was not prosecuted.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/20/all-charges-over-convoy-who-shouted-rape-jewish-daughters-are-dropped-17793247/

Imagine if a load of white, far-right supporters had driven around Whitechapel with a loudspeaker shouting something similar against Muslims. Do you think they would be prosecuted? I'm pretty sure they would rightly have been given long jail terms almost immediately.

Or this case, "no charges"; https://freespeechunion.org/no-charges-for-east-london-imams-destroy-jewish-homes-sermon/?v=0b3b97fa6688

If there were far-right marches every weekend, they would have been banned long ago, but Jews absolutely don't matter even though they have been in this country for hundreds of years. Two tier justice.

All charges over convoy who shouted 'rape Jewish daughters' are dropped

Footage of the incident on Finchley Road in north London in March last year went viral, with even then prime minister Boris Johnson condemning the scenes.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/20/all-charges-over-convoy-who-shouted-rape-jewish-daughters-are-dropped-17793247/