Jews leaving the UK

You know who else doesn’t feel safe?

Women in Afghanistan.

Christians in Nigeria and in Somalia.

I could keep going, but…

What has any of that got to do with British Jews feeling unsafe in the UK?

It’s shameful that we have got to this point. Shameful.

Ffs Keir Starmer’s wife and children are Jewish!

Yet marching is something people CAN do. The only way to make a difference. To beseach our governments to sanction Israel for war crimes. Or are you ok with the Gaza situation? Is it far enough away you don't care?

Yes, your argument indeed shows pretty low standard, glad we agree.

There is very little we in the UK can do about Palestinians living in Gaza. There’s a heck of a lot we can do to help Jewish UK citizens feel safe in their country. That’s the difference. It’s so hard to effect change in Gaza. It’s so easy to make UK Jews feel threatened. The endless marches have to end. Make them once a quarter for instance, or once a year. British Jews have to be allowed to breathe freely.

So then why did the allies create Israel in 1948? If not their responsibility?

So you'll leave them in the UK where it's unsafe? If they were younger you'd be ok with conscription?

Interestingly, most people supporting Palestine do not support Hamas, but I see you are running out of arguments, so have to use what you consider your trump card 😂

Also Palestinians never had a "homeland"

Last time I checked it wasn't the UK's responsibility for other people in other countries to feel safe.

Standard of discourse on this thread is pretty low.

I can't help feeling that if we swapped 'Jewish' for 'Black' a lot more racism would be a lot more obvious.

Can totally understand why they'd consider moving to Israel.

Do people move to Dubai because they don’t feel safe in the UK?

Maybe they should get rid of HAMAS so.
Might help them feel safer.

They are beyond that age and probably wouldn’t join us anyway.

You are talking absolute shite

It’s concerning to see just how far and how easily some people (even on Mumsnet) have fallen into antisemitism and conspiracy…

Are you ok?

You know who esle doesnt feel safe? Palestinians in their own homeland.

This is very interesting reading, for understanding current opinions on British Jews: https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports/two-years-after-october-7-attacks-british-jewish-views-antisemitism-israel-and-jewish-life

I am a naturally left-leaning British Jew. However, among my friends there are often have conversations about how unwelcome the UK is and where we will move to if we could. It doesn't mean we are actually leaving - life is here, our children and our families are here, we are British, where would we go? Israel is physically unsafe, and most people don't agree with the policies of Netanyahu. The idea of 'safety' in Israel is more about cultural safety - feeling like we belong somewhere, that we don't have to hide who we are. In the UK, there is a feeling that it is uncomfortable to be openly Jewish.

I will also add, with a DD at university in the UK, campuses are very unwelcoming places if you are Jewish. How is it ok to have protest about Gaza on the anniversary of 7th October, as is being planned on several UK campuses? How can that be seen as anything but a celebration of 7th October? A genuine protest could take place on a day that is not a memorial day for the deaths of 1700 Jews.

This really shows your true colours.

The thousands of innocent children killed on a daily basis makes it a genocide.

I think the debate here is the wrong conversation. The question isn't about what the intent of the protesters might be... but what the impact has been. And the impact has been problematic twice over - it certainly hasn't affected what Netanyahu's government has been doing, and it has negatively affected the Jewish community in the UK (and worldwide of course, this isn't exactly unique)

99% of the people on Mumsnet would have no idea what the impact of these protests are. Page after page on all these conversations from Jewish people telling everyone that we are scared, that we are anxious, that we feel less and less safe. That hearing and seeing the things we are hearing and seeing is ruining our daily lives and it's not limited to protesting a specific Israeli government... it's much more than that. And none of us have ever said it's EVERYONE or it's the stated goal of the marches to ruin our lives, but it's what's happening.

And when we keep telling you and telling you and begging you to consider the impact of your actions on regular people here, in this country, living our ordinary lives (like, again, my daughter who has been attacked in school twice so far... and most of our Jewish friends have similar stories from their children). When I tell you that my synagogue never needed security but when I phoned Police Scotland about my daughter's Bat Mitzvah this year they asked if we have hired ARMED security to protect a group of teenagers... and you keep telling us it's either our fault somehow or we are imagining it or it can't be happening because you didn't mean for this to be happening... it makes me feel sick to my stomach.

Ah yes, a sense of proportion is most definitely needed.

I almost forgot that we are to view attacks by Islamic extremists as a just a natural part of life, like Storm Amy.

Nothing to be done, nothing to see.

While I do not condone Netanyhau's actions, I understand why he is doing what he is doing. Fair play to him for taking Hamas on.

Indeed @legrandcolbert I tend to think there are a lot of other countries in the Middle East who are quite pleased that Netanyhau is trying to eliminate Hamas as a terrorist organisation. He's doing the dirty work for Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia et al. Especially as most of the ME assume that it's Iran that's behind Hamas (I also assume this is correct).

So once again, the Jews take the blame for something everyone wants (one might see the parallel between the view that the reason Europe hates Jews is because of their historic role as usurers, while simultaneously finding that Jewish financiers were terribly convenient to European business in the 17th to 19th centuries.)

And carrying a suffragette bag. What an unpleasant idiot.

What on earth has that Got to do with it? Read what she’s written that shows the delusion.