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A double one on Rugby

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JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 09:03

AIBU to say that Mumsnet is putting girls at risk by allowing the promotion on rugby on this site?

AIBU to say that given the risks of head injuries children under 18 (or maybe people with not-yet-fully-developed brains under 25) should not be allowed to consent to play contact rugby?

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Randomchat · 06/10/2025 15:04

Ds loves rugby. He's out training or at matches 3 or 4 times a week. He never complains, even in the coldest and wettest of weather. I'm happy he's found a sport he loves.

At the same time I'm very aware of the risks. My dad played rugby for 15 years and knew Doddie Weir personally so there's no hiding from that in our family. Ds knows the risks too.

I don't have the answers though. It's a balancing act and a guessing game. Like much of life.

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 15:02

TheLemonPeach · 06/10/2025 14:02

inclusive doesn't mean you HAVE to do it even if you hate it.

It means you CAN join in if you want to.

While you can't do ballet, or join so many other sports if you don't have the right body.

Yes, there's a risk, but there's a risk in everything and even more risk in not doing anything. Asking MN to stop promoting rugby is ridiculous. People have even died playing video games, that's hardly a sport.

You can't do rugby if you are blind or have a body that hates contact sports. It is opnly inclusive of some peopel who want to play rugby.

"Free cash" is about the only thing that is truly inclusive.

I am arguing against the nonsensical idea of "inclusive" in this post.

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JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 15:00

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 06/10/2025 13:59

Surely it’s up to you as a parent to decide what level of risk is acceptable? I played rugby quite seriously for years. There was one serious concussion of a teammate in that time. I believe it cost her her degree because of the timing right before exams.

I would think carefully before signing my children up to play rugby, but it’s nothing to do with Mumsnet.

Have you not seen the promoted (paid advert) thread promoting rugby that I have seen for weeks / months on the homepage (it was posted late july and I saw it today, for the umteenth time)?

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JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 14:59

lifeonthelane · 06/10/2025 13:58

Most things in life pose some level of risk. I have a suspected neurodiverse 8 year old. The rugby pitch is the only place I see him truly thrive - he's like a whippet out there and doesn't even glance in my direction for the hour each week he trains. We've tried other sports (football, martial arts, athletics, mountain biking) and nothing else comes close in terms of his engagement and enjoyment. To me, it's absolutely worth the risks to reap the benefits he gets from playing rugby.

If I was in your position I would feel very torn.

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Tigerbalmshark · 06/10/2025 14:40

1dayatatime · 06/10/2025 14:32

I definitely don't have the right "body"
for ballet (not unless there is some serious reinforcement of the stage).

But I absolutely adore watching my DD play rugby which is much more inclusive of different body shapes.

To be fair to ballet, in adult recreational classes there are actually a wide range of bodies.

It’s teenage “serious” classes that boot you out if your legs are too long or your foot isn’t the right shape, because there is no chance of becoming a professional if you “look wrong”. Which is ludicrous because very few teenage ballerinas will ever get as far as a ballet company, but they could still have fun dancing.

1dayatatime · 06/10/2025 14:32

TheLemonPeach · 06/10/2025 14:02

inclusive doesn't mean you HAVE to do it even if you hate it.

It means you CAN join in if you want to.

While you can't do ballet, or join so many other sports if you don't have the right body.

Yes, there's a risk, but there's a risk in everything and even more risk in not doing anything. Asking MN to stop promoting rugby is ridiculous. People have even died playing video games, that's hardly a sport.

I definitely don't have the right "body"
for ballet (not unless there is some serious reinforcement of the stage).

But I absolutely adore watching my DD play rugby which is much more inclusive of different body shapes.

Tigerbalmshark · 06/10/2025 14:22

PaellaPan · 06/10/2025 13:35

no cars, they probably wouldn't be able to get to rugby training anyway. And air quality would be substantially improved. A substantial reduction in car use would probably do far more for overall public health than stopping rugby, which only a small proportion of people ever play. And an even smaller proportion of them play vigorously, frequently enough and over enough years for it to be of any tangible risk.

We cycle to rugby! On the road, which is probably riskier than the 90 minute training session ever could be.

TheLemonPeach · 06/10/2025 14:02

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:47

It's not inclusive of kids who don't like getting dirty or hate contact sports.

Which is no big deal - not everything has to be inclusive of everyone, so long as the partici[pants are fully aware (and old enough to be aware) of the risks. ANd even then there are some limits society places.

inclusive doesn't mean you HAVE to do it even if you hate it.

It means you CAN join in if you want to.

While you can't do ballet, or join so many other sports if you don't have the right body.

Yes, there's a risk, but there's a risk in everything and even more risk in not doing anything. Asking MN to stop promoting rugby is ridiculous. People have even died playing video games, that's hardly a sport.

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 06/10/2025 13:59

Surely it’s up to you as a parent to decide what level of risk is acceptable? I played rugby quite seriously for years. There was one serious concussion of a teammate in that time. I believe it cost her her degree because of the timing right before exams.

I would think carefully before signing my children up to play rugby, but it’s nothing to do with Mumsnet.

DottieMoon · 06/10/2025 13:59

You are being ridiculous.

1dayatatime · 06/10/2025 13:58

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:20

I am quite happy to say I would never ever ever encourage a child of mine to get anywhere near a horse.

On that I would agree - horses are bloody expensive and time consuming and not conducive with studying hard as a teenager (talking from experience).

lifeonthelane · 06/10/2025 13:58

Most things in life pose some level of risk. I have a suspected neurodiverse 8 year old. The rugby pitch is the only place I see him truly thrive - he's like a whippet out there and doesn't even glance in my direction for the hour each week he trains. We've tried other sports (football, martial arts, athletics, mountain biking) and nothing else comes close in terms of his engagement and enjoyment. To me, it's absolutely worth the risks to reap the benefits he gets from playing rugby.

Tigerbalmshark · 06/10/2025 13:53

TheLemonPeach · 06/10/2025 13:26

WHAT are your own children allowed to do exactly? out of curiosity?

I imagine “colouring in, quietly”, though they probably aren’t allowed to use a pencil sharpener unsupervised until sixth form.

Trickabrick · 06/10/2025 13:52

Scottishskifun · 06/10/2025 13:42

What sport would you allow your DC to do OP....is tiddlywinks acceptable?!

So far you've ruled out a fair few sports I'm starting to wonder if you allow your children to do any sport....

I mean pretty much every sport comes with an injury risk somewhere....swimming - risk of drowning, dance - risk of broken ankles/damaged ligaments and knees, gymnastics- back, neck, arm and leg injury potential. Trampolining - more of the same as gymnastics.

Tut tut, don’t you know the tiddlywinks is a choking hazard? What if one of the little plastic circles bounced up into a child’s mouth? Or the risks of repetitive strain injury from repeated finger use? 😱

padronpepper · 06/10/2025 13:51

My neighbour's 14 year old son has been suffering with severe tinnitus since a head injury playing rugby 2 years ago.
Her younger boys will never set foot on a rugby pitch if she has anything to do with it.

xSideshowAuntSallyXx · 06/10/2025 13:48

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 06/10/2025 13:39

He was one of of my favourite players back in the day and I'm so sad for him. Hearing him say about having to break the news to his mum (as an only child) was devastating.

He was one of mine too, his mop of blonde hair always made him stand out.

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:47

TheLemonPeach · 06/10/2025 12:44

Rugby is especially inclusive because it welcomes all body types and has various roles who need various strengths.

It's a lot less damaging that gymnastics or ballet (just as an example) who famously badly damaged mental health of so many girls with the effect we know.

You don't have to like rugby, but you are ridiculous to demand a ban. Just don't put your kids in a school where it's part of the curriculum.

It's not inclusive of kids who don't like getting dirty or hate contact sports.

Which is no big deal - not everything has to be inclusive of everyone, so long as the partici[pants are fully aware (and old enough to be aware) of the risks. ANd even then there are some limits society places.

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bittertwisted · 06/10/2025 13:46

I don’t own my children, this ‘I wouldn’t encourage’ attitude is baffling. My eldest DS competes in MMA. He is autistic and it has helped massively with his ability to control impulse and aggression.
he also trains for 4 hours a day

i believe the most dangerous risk to young minds is screen addiction

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:44

TheLemonPeach · 06/10/2025 13:26

WHAT are your own children allowed to do exactly? out of curiosity?

Anything they want, because ours are very cautious - if anything it would be good if they took more risks.

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Scottishskifun · 06/10/2025 13:42

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:20

I am quite happy to say I would never ever ever encourage a child of mine to get anywhere near a horse.

What sport would you allow your DC to do OP....is tiddlywinks acceptable?!

So far you've ruled out a fair few sports I'm starting to wonder if you allow your children to do any sport....

I mean pretty much every sport comes with an injury risk somewhere....swimming - risk of drowning, dance - risk of broken ankles/damaged ligaments and knees, gymnastics- back, neck, arm and leg injury potential. Trampolining - more of the same as gymnastics.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 06/10/2025 13:39

indoorplantqueen · 06/10/2025 09:52

Rugby has got much stricter about head contact and head injuries. but it’s probably come much too late. Just heard this morning Lewis moody (England international player) has been diagnosed with MND.

He was one of of my favourite players back in the day and I'm so sad for him. Hearing him say about having to break the news to his mum (as an only child) was devastating.

AllJoyAndNoFun · 06/10/2025 13:38

PaellaPan · 06/10/2025 13:35

no cars, they probably wouldn't be able to get to rugby training anyway. And air quality would be substantially improved. A substantial reduction in car use would probably do far more for overall public health than stopping rugby, which only a small proportion of people ever play. And an even smaller proportion of them play vigorously, frequently enough and over enough years for it to be of any tangible risk.

I just looked this up OOI and of 1 milion registered male players (total) only 121,000 are actually adults (over 18) so barely anyone carries on for "decades and decades". It's tiny numbers.

PaellaPan · 06/10/2025 13:35

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:29

Do you not see the way that "no cars" would impact society in infinitely more negative ways that not allowing young perople to take up rugby until aged 18 or 25?

no cars, they probably wouldn't be able to get to rugby training anyway. And air quality would be substantially improved. A substantial reduction in car use would probably do far more for overall public health than stopping rugby, which only a small proportion of people ever play. And an even smaller proportion of them play vigorously, frequently enough and over enough years for it to be of any tangible risk.

TheLemonPeach · 06/10/2025 13:30

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:26

I don't see why kids should be more able to consent to playing sports which risk serious brain injury and early death any more than they can consent to sex or tattoos or being transitioned

You win the medal for the most ridiculous post on MN this week

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 13:29

xSideshowAuntSallyXx · 06/10/2025 12:31

I stand by what I said. It is poor taste to use Lewis Moody's MND diagnosis for your own personal crusade.

Many of these players Rob Burrow, Doddie Weir and now Lewis Moody all played rugby long before all the research into concussion and head injuries. The sport and science has changed since they played, they are no longer allowed to continue to play if they get a head injury, high tackles are a red card.

Use it to bring awareness to MND but to use it because you don't like something is in poor taste.

P.S cars kill shall we ban them as well?

Do you not see the way that "no cars" would impact society in infinitely more negative ways that not allowing young perople to take up rugby until aged 18 or 25?

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