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Schools should offer yearly Covid jab instead of flu

119 replies

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 06/10/2025 07:10

If we can have one, Covid is more common than flu, spreads more easily than flu, and although flu causes more severe illness at time of infection, repeated exposure to Covid increases the chance of long Covid for the child and the rest of the family.

I would rather both but if we had to pick one, my kids have brought home Covid four times and I would rather they be inoculated against it.

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CrispsPlease · 06/10/2025 22:14

SourCherryade · 06/10/2025 14:51

I now have chronic health conditions from the Covid vaccine. Just like thousands of others.

The doctors refuse to confirm the cause in writing so there is no evidence, and therefore no recourse to any benefits or compensation for those of us who can no longer work.

We are living a nightmare and it is being censored by the government and media.

I have always been very pro-vaccine, but please know that the data and information you are being fed is not accurate.

Agree

CrispsPlease · 06/10/2025 22:12

COVID vaccination can cause myocarditis and pericardial effusions in young males particularly.

I think I'd rather my child caught a cold , i.e COVID.

CrispsPlease · 06/10/2025 22:11

Is there any children you know that have become seriously ill through COVID ?

If not, we could start vaccinating against rhinovirus (the common cold ) ?

Hallywally · 06/10/2025 22:09

My teenage son got really ill from the Covid jab, it also messed up my periods (and that of other women I know). Also didn’t stop us getting covid multiple times. We’ve all had the flu jab at various times, including younger primary aged DD who gets the nasal spray and never had any ill side effects.

Dunnowhatimat · 06/10/2025 21:52

The covid vaccine does not prevent you from getting or passing on covid, and has many drawbacks for children.

InfoSecInTheCity · 06/10/2025 20:08

Eligibility for Covid jab has been vastly reduced. I was getting it last year alongside the flu jab due to having diabetes but this year the only people eligible are over 75s, in a care home or specific immune conditions.

Itdoesntmatteranyway · 06/10/2025 19:50

EatAllDay · 06/10/2025 18:01

vaccine does NOT stop you getting it. You are more likely to suffer side effects and maybe become infertile. Don’t give this to your children

Ridiculous

EatAllDay · 06/10/2025 18:01

vaccine does NOT stop you getting it. You are more likely to suffer side effects and maybe become infertile. Don’t give this to your children

Vordooflore · 06/10/2025 17:48

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 06/10/2025 07:10

If we can have one, Covid is more common than flu, spreads more easily than flu, and although flu causes more severe illness at time of infection, repeated exposure to Covid increases the chance of long Covid for the child and the rest of the family.

I would rather both but if we had to pick one, my kids have brought home Covid four times and I would rather they be inoculated against it.

People still getting them ? Clearly the most useless jab and with millions of side effects

Itdoesntmatteranyway · 06/10/2025 15:40

The Covid jab costs nearly £100 privately. I would imagine that is what is putting a lot of people off doing it privately.
DH is under 60 but entitled to free flu jab due to illness (heart disease). However, he is not entitled to Covid jab as it is much stricter. In his words, ‘if it’s dangerous for me to get flu, it’s dangerous for me to get Covid’. It’s all about money unfortunately.

JohnTheRevelator · 06/10/2025 15:32

I've wondered about this too. Considering that covid will be doing the rounds again this autumn and winter,and school age children are regarded as 'super spreaders' of anything,not just covid,it seems mad not to offer it in schools.

golemmings · 06/10/2025 15:20

Even frontline NHS staff entitled to flu jabs don't get COVID jabs this year !

Flossflower · 06/10/2025 15:07

I think cost is a significant factor for Covid (mRNA) vaccines. I paid nearly £100 for mine.

SourCherryade · 06/10/2025 14:51

I now have chronic health conditions from the Covid vaccine. Just like thousands of others.

The doctors refuse to confirm the cause in writing so there is no evidence, and therefore no recourse to any benefits or compensation for those of us who can no longer work.

We are living a nightmare and it is being censored by the government and media.

I have always been very pro-vaccine, but please know that the data and information you are being fed is not accurate.

LizzieW1969 · 06/10/2025 14:42

I didn't say 'most' flu was asymptomatic or even close to it, and there's good reason for that. There are wildly varying estimates for how much flu is asymptomatic, because it's so hard to get a handle on.

That hardly surprising, as people who are asymptomatic would surely hardly ever get tested, as from their point of view they’re not even ill. Even those who are symptomatic don’t usually take a test, they just stay in bed if they need to until they’ve recovered.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 06/10/2025 11:49

CatchingtheCat · 06/10/2025 11:32

Can you provide evidence to back up your own claims? That most flu is asymptomatic in the absence of flu vaccines?

Edited

Why are you asking people to back up things they've not said?

I didn't say 'most' flu was asymptomatic or even close to it, and there's good reason for that. There are wildly varying estimates for how much flu is asymptomatic, because it's so hard to get a handle on.

This gov.uk report, for example, states that estimates range from 30-50% but the proportion may depend on the strain.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6838317b5150d70c85aafab9/Green-book-chapter-19-influenza-28May2025.pdf

Other research with both higher and lower estimates exist too, which fits with what was said there. We don't know the proportion, only that it's very much a thing. This is why it's better not to use language that pretends we can be more accurate than we're actually able to be.

You'll note that it doesn't say flu 'knocks you out for two weeks and six weeks to really recover'. It also mentions fatalities, which are another example of influenza infections that don't fit within the description you provided earlier.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6838317b5150d70c85aafab9/Green-book-chapter-19-influenza-28May2025.pdf

newworki · 06/10/2025 11:42

Icebreakhell · 06/10/2025 08:15

Clinically vulnerable people will continue to be offered a vaccine:

ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2025/06/26/whos-eligible-for-the-2025-covid-19-vaccine-or-autumn-booster/

Some CV people will be vaccinated. The category criteria has tightened. He was given food parcels every week by the Scottish government and now they don’t give a fuck about him.

CatchingtheCat · 06/10/2025 11:32

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 06/10/2025 10:42

No, I'm suggesting that nobody should be making completely incorrect claims about the symptoms and duration associated with the flu virus, in any context. It's not a huge hurdle to clear...

Can you provide evidence to back up your own claims? That most flu is asymptomatic in the absence of flu vaccines?

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 06/10/2025 10:42

CatchingtheCat · 06/10/2025 10:27

So you are suggesting deaths and morbidity aren’t relevant when designing public health programs?

No, I'm suggesting that nobody should be making completely incorrect claims about the symptoms and duration associated with the flu virus, in any context. It's not a huge hurdle to clear...

mirrorsandlights · 06/10/2025 10:33

YABU Flu kills thousands of people every year, the young, old and vulnerable particularly at risk. I was hospitalised with it once, thought I was going to die and it took me months to recover.

1dayatatime · 06/10/2025 10:31

Theunamedcat · 06/10/2025 07:14

Not how herd immunity works btw

You do realise that the Covid jab doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting Covid - it simply reduces the severity of the symptoms as well as helping reduce the level of transmission by reducing the period of infection.

Sahara123 · 06/10/2025 10:30

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 06/10/2025 07:10

If we can have one, Covid is more common than flu, spreads more easily than flu, and although flu causes more severe illness at time of infection, repeated exposure to Covid increases the chance of long Covid for the child and the rest of the family.

I would rather both but if we had to pick one, my kids have brought home Covid four times and I would rather they be inoculated against it.

It’s the NHS that does the jabs. Using school premises. I’ve spent years being the person who organises the school side of this !

CatchingtheCat · 06/10/2025 10:27

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 06/10/2025 10:18

If the duration and symptoms of flu are irrelevant when discussing vaccines, you shouldn't have raised the issue in the first place. Especially not to say something so wrong about it!

So you are suggesting deaths and morbidity aren’t relevant when designing public health programs?

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 06/10/2025 10:18

CatchingtheCat · 06/10/2025 09:25

It is irrelevant though when discussing vaccines. Without vaccines the incidence of flu that lands people in bed for two weeks, with six weeks recovery, or hospital and potential death, is much much higher. Flu season used to regularly result in schools finding significant proportions of the classes off for over a week. Like exposure to other corona viruses offer some protection against Covid, the same is true of flu, including the flu vaccine. So regular flu vaccines raises general immunity in a person to other flu strains. On average there are over 13,000 deaths in the uk each year associated with flu.

If the duration and symptoms of flu are irrelevant when discussing vaccines, you shouldn't have raised the issue in the first place. Especially not to say something so wrong about it!

Scottishskifun · 06/10/2025 09:50

mindutopia · 06/10/2025 09:39

People get post-viral fatigue (long COVID, if you want to call it that) from the flu same as COVID.

I’ve had COVID many times and it’s never been as horrific as the flu, so I wouldn’t be hugely motivated to get a COVID jab or get one for my dc. Even though I am immunocompromised and I do get offered a COVID jab (I’m getting it this year due to cancer treatment, but didn’t last year).

It’s bad enough trying to get parents to agree to the flu spray for their dc. Because everyone has watched some YouTube video about it. 🙄 Can you imagine getting them to agree to a COVID jab?!

As a health scientist, there is a reason there is greater benefit to offering flu vaccines at a broad level compared to COVID, and that’s why from a public health standpoint, we do. It doesn’t prevent any individual from seeking vaccination privately though if they have concerns about long COVID, etc.

Whilst post viral fatigue and long covid are similar they are not the same with symptoms of LC far more extensive and immune system compromised with triggering of other auto immune conditions hence the rise is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) and POTS as well.

The same as fibromyalgia and ME are not the same conditions but share similarities.

I would hope as a health scientist you would have a less blasé response in working life to a condition that effects thousands of people.
I don't however agree with the OP on vaccinations for children.