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Schools should offer yearly Covid jab instead of flu

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SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 06/10/2025 07:10

If we can have one, Covid is more common than flu, spreads more easily than flu, and although flu causes more severe illness at time of infection, repeated exposure to Covid increases the chance of long Covid for the child and the rest of the family.

I would rather both but if we had to pick one, my kids have brought home Covid four times and I would rather they be inoculated against it.

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CypressGrove · 09/10/2025 20:52

Octoberslide · 09/10/2025 12:47

Interesting, when did your country stop? Which countries said that risks of vaccinating children outweighed risks of covid infection? I’m not aware of any, but am open. Even if reduction in chance of getting long covid, reduction in onward transmission etc, I can’t see any that are excluded purely on a risk/benefit basis. America, Canada, Australia, China, France, Spain and others still routinely offer the covid vaccine. We have been quite miserly with vaccination (not just for children) most of the way through the pandemic compared to other countries.

I'm in Australia and the official advice is here: https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination
Children without risks factors are not eligible for the primary course of covid vaccination anymore (so first doses) and covid boosters are not recommended for children without severe immunocompromise.

Octoberslide · 09/10/2025 12:47

CypressGrove · 09/10/2025 09:39

Really - which countries routinely vaccination children for covid. My country does for chicken pox but not covid - the risks versus benefits just don't stack up.

Interesting, when did your country stop? Which countries said that risks of vaccinating children outweighed risks of covid infection? I’m not aware of any, but am open. Even if reduction in chance of getting long covid, reduction in onward transmission etc, I can’t see any that are excluded purely on a risk/benefit basis. America, Canada, Australia, China, France, Spain and others still routinely offer the covid vaccine. We have been quite miserly with vaccination (not just for children) most of the way through the pandemic compared to other countries.

Octoberslide · 09/10/2025 12:39

Georgina8 · 09/10/2025 09:52

Personally I know several people with Long Covid, two of whom are children. It's entirely possible you do too. The people I know who have it have only told certain people, as they have others in their lives who they know would only react with cruelty or dismissiveness, so they chose not to share with them. You certainly don't sound like someone people would feel comfortable confiding their health issues in.

There are so many children affected. It’s awful the attitudes some have to endure on top of this. I hope some treatments are forthcoming. Long covid isn’t rare, yet there’s a strange sort of wilful blindness from some - ignoring lived experience, data, research, scientists, economists etc.

BusWankers · 09/10/2025 11:44

Retro12 · 09/10/2025 11:06

Absolutely not... Cannot see the point of vaccinating against the flu or covid myself!

Really?. Flu can be deadly to children and the elderly. Why wouldn't you?

1dayatatime · 09/10/2025 11:18

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 09/10/2025 09:16

The UK is bringing in the chicken pox vaccine now, but agree we've been behind the curve there.

One of the reasons was a belief that shingles rates in older people would rise if there was less 'wild' chicken pox circulating. This was always a theory and there was no evidence, hence JCVI no longer cite it as a rationale. Personally, I was not very persuaded by the idea that my DC should be taking one for the team, and paid privately instead.

I agree that I never got the logic that children should be allowed to get chickenpox (for example leading in the case of my eldest being hospitalised) in order to protect the elderly from getting shingles.

To children being vaccinated against COVID where there was a minimal risk to young people, but in order to protect the elderly getting COVID (wait entirely failed to do).

I guess in society old people matter more than children.

Retro12 · 09/10/2025 11:06

Absolutely not... Cannot see the point of vaccinating against the flu or covid myself!

CrispsPlease · 09/10/2025 11:03

PropertyD · 09/10/2025 09:32

I know no one who has Long Covid so its not a big issue for most. Covid wasnt dangerous for children. You seem rather obsessed. If you want to - get it done privately.

"long COVID" was another lovely elusive label for certain personality types to latch onto

gingercat02 · 09/10/2025 10:47

We are no longer being offered the Covid vaccine in the NHS, not that I would have had it anyway. I only ever had it to be able to travel.
DS doesn't get the flu vaccine at school anymore. I think he only had one covid vaccine.

Georgina8 · 09/10/2025 09:52

PropertyD · 09/10/2025 09:32

I know no one who has Long Covid so its not a big issue for most. Covid wasnt dangerous for children. You seem rather obsessed. If you want to - get it done privately.

Personally I know several people with Long Covid, two of whom are children. It's entirely possible you do too. The people I know who have it have only told certain people, as they have others in their lives who they know would only react with cruelty or dismissiveness, so they chose not to share with them. You certainly don't sound like someone people would feel comfortable confiding their health issues in.

CypressGrove · 09/10/2025 09:39

Octoberslide · 09/10/2025 09:07

We are a bit of an outlier in that other countries manage to offer chickenpox and covid vaccines to children.

Really - which countries routinely vaccination children for covid. My country does for chicken pox but not covid - the risks versus benefits just don't stack up.

PropertyD · 09/10/2025 09:32

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 06/10/2025 07:53

I know - why would you think my argument was based around individuals rather than populations? Long Covid is a big risk on a population level.

I know no one who has Long Covid so its not a big issue for most. Covid wasnt dangerous for children. You seem rather obsessed. If you want to - get it done privately.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 09/10/2025 09:16

The UK is bringing in the chicken pox vaccine now, but agree we've been behind the curve there.

One of the reasons was a belief that shingles rates in older people would rise if there was less 'wild' chicken pox circulating. This was always a theory and there was no evidence, hence JCVI no longer cite it as a rationale. Personally, I was not very persuaded by the idea that my DC should be taking one for the team, and paid privately instead.

Octoberslide · 09/10/2025 09:07

We are a bit of an outlier in that other countries manage to offer chickenpox and covid vaccines to children.

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/10/2025 22:17

Schools don't "offer" any jabs. The NHS does.

1dayatatime · 08/10/2025 22:15

Firealarm1414 · 08/10/2025 21:06

Vaccinating every kid for covid would create far more adverse reactions to the vaccine than it would prevent cases of severe covid in that age group. The risk to benefit ratio just isn't there. This is why hardly any countries recommend vaccinating healthy children. It would create more problems in response to a "problem" that is pretty much non existent. Its very selfish to want to subject kids to possible severe side effects just because you feel like it would help you not get sick (it wouldn't anyway).

An accurate comment. It always puzzled me that the Government was willing to offer free COVID jabs to children (where the risk was very low) but was not willing to offer free chickenpox vaccinations where the risk was relatively much higher.

Firealarm1414 · 08/10/2025 21:06

Vaccinating every kid for covid would create far more adverse reactions to the vaccine than it would prevent cases of severe covid in that age group. The risk to benefit ratio just isn't there. This is why hardly any countries recommend vaccinating healthy children. It would create more problems in response to a "problem" that is pretty much non existent. Its very selfish to want to subject kids to possible severe side effects just because you feel like it would help you not get sick (it wouldn't anyway).

Octoberslide · 07/10/2025 16:25

It’s based on cost OP, but yes, on a population level would make more sense to give it for covid. 1,000 children per week get long covid and obviously many parents now have health issues from covid too. We seem to have very low eligibility criteria and choice compared to other countries with regard to the covid vaccine. Our government destroyed over £1bn of covid vaccines, whilst reducing eligibility.

Hoardasurass · 07/10/2025 09:13

SourCherryade · 06/10/2025 14:51

I now have chronic health conditions from the Covid vaccine. Just like thousands of others.

The doctors refuse to confirm the cause in writing so there is no evidence, and therefore no recourse to any benefits or compensation for those of us who can no longer work.

We are living a nightmare and it is being censored by the government and media.

I have always been very pro-vaccine, but please know that the data and information you are being fed is not accurate.

I suffered multiple burst blood vessels in my skin from the vaccine (the biggest 1 at the injection site) and am now covered in red scars all over my body that only thousands of pounds in lazer treatments can reduce, i was refused the 2nd jab but the drs wont admit that it was caused by the vaccine even though I'd never had any before and they stopped appearing about 2 weeks after the jab and I've had no new ones since, nor will they investigate to see what other damage its caused internally.
I'm also pro vaccinations but I feel that the covid vaccine was rushed out without enough testing and for most healthy people is not worth the risks of harm vs the benefit gained from it.

Theunamedcat · 07/10/2025 09:03

1dayatatime · 06/10/2025 10:31

You do realise that the Covid jab doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting Covid - it simply reduces the severity of the symptoms as well as helping reduce the level of transmission by reducing the period of infection.

Did you mean to quote me? It's got nothing to do with paying for jabs?

CypressGrove · 07/10/2025 08:49

Cadenza12 · 06/10/2025 22:31

Hardly. It would be unethical.

Doesn't mean that's not why they do it r though - its well established the children are a main transmission route and the flu vaccine is much more effective in children then the older population.
Similiar reasoning as to why they didn't roll out the chicken pox vaccine in the UK - they thought it was better for the kids to get it and circulate it around so older people would have repeated low level exposures to reduce the older people's risk of shingles. Despite the risk of complications in children and their own subsequent lifetime risk of shingles.

sittingonabeach · 06/10/2025 22:35

It’s not down to the schools

Cadenza12 · 06/10/2025 22:31

Faircastle · 06/10/2025 07:34

These vaccination programmes are for the benefit of populations, rather than individuals. The main reason for vaccinating schoolchildren against flu is to protect those in the community who are more vulnerable to becoming seriously ill or dying from it (i.e. their grandparents).

Hardly. It would be unethical.

millymollymoomoo · 06/10/2025 22:20

The Covid vaccination does not prevent infection or transmission so there is no community benefit to children having it

iy offers some protection to an individual only ( short term ) hence if you’re vulnerable take it but do not expect children to have it !

Zov · 06/10/2025 22:18

I also agree with the posters saying children are very unlikely to get very ill from covid. If you're an adult who is very likely to get very ill (or die) from covid, then it's sensible to have the jab. But why the heck would anyone want their child to have it? Confused

Zov · 06/10/2025 22:16

Not gonna happen. Covid jabs cost 4 to 5 times more than flu jabs.

No-one's partner/carer gets them anymore.