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Do you think the Palestinian protests should be restricted?

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Yriovd · 05/10/2025 22:50

With talk of the potential police powers, what do you think?

YABU - no restrictions, allow them to go ahead every week as they currently do.

YANBU - restrict them so they’re allowed less frequently, or ban them altogether.

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DrPrunesqualer · 06/10/2025 17:49

SidekickSylvia · 06/10/2025 15:09

How? By walking through English cities carrying a flag and shouting at police officers? Wouldn't it be better to spend the day doing overtime and to send that day's wages to a Palestinian charity/cause?

We can do both. Neither is mutually exclusive
We can also boycott Israeli goods.

People are doing lots of different things and what they chose to do is their choice

HarrietPierce · 06/10/2025 17:42

"They deemed being arrested for selfies more important than allowing police to protect Jewish spaces after a terrorist attack."

I don't think the blind man and others in wheel chairs were really concerned about selfies. Jewish people were on the protest- were they just there for selfies too ? It was a peaceful sit down protest against the Genocide. Why is the MSM conflating a terrorist act in Manchester with a peaceful protest? Once again shows us that Palestinian lives are worth less than others. Netanyahu had no intention of pausing the genocide for the day.

Livingonbananabread · 06/10/2025 16:11

Dontlletmedownbruce · 06/10/2025 16:02

I just wanted to repeat this post because it's spot on. I can honestly say 100% of Irish people I know support the Palestinian people and zero that I know support Hamas. We remember not so long ago how it felt to have a terrorist group acting in our name and we experienced the judgment and racism that followed. Many people have likened the Israelis actions post the Hamas attacks as the equivalent of mass murder of Irish people following the Omagh bomb or earlier terrorist attacks. Obviously it's a much much larger scale but it's the same analogy.

As for Ireland being anti Jewish I honestly don't know but I know I never met a Jew here in the 80s or 90s. I also never met an Indian or Nigerian or Jamaican or Swedish or Brazilian. Because Ireland had no immigration whatsoever and had a mass emigration problem. Why, because it was unbelievably poor and miserable, that's what happens when a country still destitute from famine and years of (often brutal) colonialism has to build itself up from fighting for independence and the civil war. It takes time and a couple for generations. No one wanted to be here, there was nothing for them. I think its very over simplified to say a country is prejudiced against a race based on the fact that they don't live here.

Oh absolutely, I wouldn’t see the size of the Jewish population as indicative of anything much. But extrapolating from that tiny population to say that the absence of a sizeable Irish Jewish community “has given us a freer hand to take a more principled position”, as a former Irish diplomat to Ramallah did, is problematic to say the least.

isitmyturn · 06/10/2025 16:06

Algen · 06/10/2025 09:07

Most protests don’t happen pretty much every week

I think that's where you start.
People must have a right to protest. It's when the same people protest about the same topic over and over again in the same places.
Just stop oil were the same, disruptive and repetitive.

Having said that those repeating anti Jewish hatred should be imprisoned and banned from future protests.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 06/10/2025 16:02

ColadhSamh · 06/10/2025 09:35

What a pity, given your claim to live in Ireland you haven't bothered to educate yourself on the history of the country.
There are many reminders of the deliberate starvation of over a million and a half people with a similar amount forced into emigration. The population has still not recovered to pre An Gorta Mór levels.
That is a huge part of why the Irish support the Palestinians. 'If you know your history....'

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I just wanted to repeat this post because it's spot on. I can honestly say 100% of Irish people I know support the Palestinian people and zero that I know support Hamas. We remember not so long ago how it felt to have a terrorist group acting in our name and we experienced the judgment and racism that followed. Many people have likened the Israelis actions post the Hamas attacks as the equivalent of mass murder of Irish people following the Omagh bomb or earlier terrorist attacks. Obviously it's a much much larger scale but it's the same analogy.

As for Ireland being anti Jewish I honestly don't know but I know I never met a Jew here in the 80s or 90s. I also never met an Indian or Nigerian or Jamaican or Swedish or Brazilian. Because Ireland had no immigration whatsoever and had a mass emigration problem. Why, because it was unbelievably poor and miserable, that's what happens when a country still destitute from famine and years of (often brutal) colonialism has to build itself up from fighting for independence and the civil war. It takes time and a couple for generations. No one wanted to be here, there was nothing for them. I think its very over simplified to say a country is prejudiced against a race based on the fact that they don't live here.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 06/10/2025 15:45

It's sickening enough that the powerful people in this world have taken no action to stop an ongoing genocide without now asking the civilians to keep their mouth shut too. It's bad enough that we'll have to explain to our children and grandchildren how we all knew about it and didn't do anything to stop it. At least by going on a peaceful protest people feel their voice is somewhat heard, even if they are powerless. The violent or extremist element can be dealt with but the police same as at any large event.

noblegiraffe · 06/10/2025 15:39

HarrietPierce · 06/10/2025 15:36

"the pro-Palestine marches was openly antisemitic in tone and saw some 300-odd arrests"

Yes many of them pensioners and many disabled people , peacefully holding signs against the horrific genocide being perpetrated by Israel. Many Jewish people also protest against the mass slaughter for which Starmer's government provide weapons and intelligence.

x.com/seicilop/status/1974812636089823375/photo/1

No, they were arrested for supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation.

They deemed being arrested for selfies more important than allowing police to protect Jewish spaces after a terrorist attack.

HarrietPierce · 06/10/2025 15:36

"the pro-Palestine marches was openly antisemitic in tone and saw some 300-odd arrests"

Yes many of them pensioners and many disabled people , peacefully holding signs against the horrific genocide being perpetrated by Israel. Many Jewish people also protest against the mass slaughter for which Starmer's government provide weapons and intelligence.

x.com/seicilop/status/1974812636089823375/photo/1

Livingonbananabread · 06/10/2025 15:35

pumpkinscake · 06/10/2025 14:58

Can you link to the article about the Irish TD please, I'd like to read that for myself.

Hi, I just did a bit of digging to remind myself as it was two years ago and I think it was this one: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/ireland-palestine-ceasefire-gaza

Apologies, it was a diplomat rather than a TD, and he was quoted in the article rather than writing it. But I was a bit confused as I remembered his quote going much further than it does here. Then I spotted the footnote to say that it had been amended at a later date “for editorial reasons.” Funny, that. The original quote was picked up here: https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/366081/is-ireland-pro-palestine-because-it-has-so-few-jews/ and elsewhere.

‘It’s part of our psyche’: why Ireland sides with ‘underdog’ Palestine

Ireland is seen as an outlier in the EU – but its sympathy for the suffering in Gaza is rooted in its own history

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/ireland-palestine-ceasefire-gaza

pumpkinscake · 06/10/2025 15:19

SidekickSylvia · 06/10/2025 15:09

How? By walking through English cities carrying a flag and shouting at police officers? Wouldn't it be better to spend the day doing overtime and to send that day's wages to a Palestinian charity/cause?

Because the UK and other western countries need to stop arming and supporting Israel, and only public protest can achieve that.

noblegiraffe · 06/10/2025 15:17

Whistonia · 06/10/2025 15:16

Oh go away with your nonsense

I posted links to videos earlier in the thread.

I'm sure that's very inconvenient for you.

Whistonia · 06/10/2025 15:16

noblegiraffe · 06/10/2025 11:13

I notice that the people saying peaceful protest should be allowed carefully avoiding addressing the calls for violence and the murder of Jews, the celebration of October 7th, the support for Hamas which seem to keep happening at these marches.

Why do they keep happening at these peace marches? Are they a bug or actually a feature?

And if they are a feature, is that really what we want to be encouraging? Saying they should be arrested is all well and good but where are we two years later? Hate chants still ongoing and Jews murdered on the streets of the U.K. Not that the protestors give a shit.

Oh go away with your nonsense

SidekickSylvia · 06/10/2025 15:09

pumpkinscake · 06/10/2025 14:55

The point is try and stop a genocide going on before our eyes. It's not a matter on which one can agree to disagree.

How? By walking through English cities carrying a flag and shouting at police officers? Wouldn't it be better to spend the day doing overtime and to send that day's wages to a Palestinian charity/cause?

pumpkinscake · 06/10/2025 14:58

Livingonbananabread · 06/10/2025 10:40

That’s appalling, @PurpleThistle7 - I’m so incredibly sorry your daughter was subjected to that, it must be terrifying for all of you.

I’m not Jewish, but find the marches deeply intimidating, even though I know plenty of people who participate in them and know that they’re motivated by horror at the situation in Gaza and concern for the people there. I share their concern, but am appalled by their readiness to align themselves with flags and slogans which, intentionally or otherwise, call for the annihilation of Israel. I find the fact that marches went ahead following the attack in Manchester absolutely abhorrent, and have felt completely alienated by people I know and love draping themselves in the Palestinian flag and kefiyeh for the past two years.

As for Ireland, there is something incredibly unsettling about the insistence on aligning Irishness with the Palestinian cause. An Irish TD wrote a piece for the Guardian not long after 7th October in which he said that Ireland was able to take a more clear sighted view because they didn’t have any Jews they needed to appease. It sent chills down me just reading it.

Can you link to the article about the Irish TD please, I'd like to read that for myself.

pumpkinscake · 06/10/2025 14:55

OonaStubbs · 06/10/2025 01:16

I am sick of the protests and I think they are turning people against the cause at this point. Nobodies mind is going to be changed at this stage so I don't see the point in continued protests.

The point is try and stop a genocide going on before our eyes. It's not a matter on which one can agree to disagree.

MaturingCheeseball · 06/10/2025 14:40

Dd was there on Saturday. She is quite a liberal but she came back saying she was disgusted by protestors yelling and screaming in the police’s faces, and also shouting at and frightening tourists.

The right to protest should be protected, but I think for a core group it’s less about protesting a cause and more about a day out aggressively causing trouble and getting a chance to attack the police.

NewGirlInTown · 06/10/2025 14:33

I’m sick of them. London is horrific at weekends now.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 06/10/2025 14:26

We've been all over the country last few years - uni visists - seen a lot of these marches all have been peaceful and a surpsing variety of people.

The marches we've seen often get ignored in the press - no racists or antisemitism chanting and I haven't seen face coverings.

However I don't think these marches are having any poltical effect and looking at recent press many are getting more militant so do agree they are increasingly looking counter productive.

Ultimatley I think Labour are playing politics just as previous Tory did getting more authoritarian laws passed using them as convienet cover so what ever I think about the marches keeping a long term eye on where we are going it does look a bit concerning.

Stompythedinosaur · 06/10/2025 14:12

Only authoritarian regimes ban protests!

noblegiraffe · 06/10/2025 13:58

DrPrunesqualer · 06/10/2025 13:46

I disagree
They are protesting against Labour overreaching.
Prescribing PA as a terrorist group is an attempt to shut down protests which as we’ve heard from some MPs is exactly what they want.

The protestors are standing up for Free Speech
I applaud all those who try to maintain our rights and deplore those who try to take them away

Those protestors are standing up for the right to attack our U.K. military, endanger our national security while we are at war, and on the side put a police officer in hospital.

If I was going to be arrested, it wouldn’t be that group I’d be getting a criminal record for.

If it were Russia doing it, people would be horrified and scared. Stick a keffiyeh on it and mindless idiots will laud them as heroes.

newusernamex1000 · 06/10/2025 13:54

Yes they should have restrictions, and no face coverings either.

DrPrunesqualer · 06/10/2025 13:46

noblegiraffe · 06/10/2025 13:36

They are fuckwits who decided that despite Palestine Action being allowed to appeal their proscription through the courts have decided to get arrested to fuel their own sense of self-righteousness. This is more important to them than allowing police to free up resources to protect Jews in the recent aftermath of a terror attack

The Palestine Action protestors are selfish and despicable people.

I disagree
They are protesting against Labour overreaching.
Prescribing PA as a terrorist group is an attempt to shut down protests which as we’ve heard from some MPs is exactly what they want.

The protestors are standing up for Free Speech
I applaud all those who try to maintain our rights and deplore those who try to take them away

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 13:40

Swiftie1878 · 06/10/2025 11:56

If there is hate speech and an incitement to violence, there should be arrests in that regard.
Peaceful protest is a staple of democracy and cannot be undermined simply because some people disagree with the cause.

The police do arrest people for that and for supporting terrorist organisations. Around 500 were arrested at last Saturday's 'peaceful ' protests. It costs a fortune policing week in and week out and all the other days they select too.

noblegiraffe · 06/10/2025 13:36

DrPrunesqualer · 06/10/2025 12:07

That large number of arrests was of peaceful activists sitting on the ground holding up placards. They were arrested not because of violence but because Labour decided PA is a terrorist group. Nothing more.

They are fuckwits who decided that despite Palestine Action being allowed to appeal their proscription through the courts have decided to get arrested to fuel their own sense of self-righteousness. This is more important to them than allowing police to free up resources to protect Jews in the recent aftermath of a terror attack

The Palestine Action protestors are selfish and despicable people.