11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

Other countries are taking steps slowly and surely to protect themselves. China are buying up resources and land around the world. The USA is securing the mineral rights it needs. Russia's looking secure the fertile farm land it needs.

This is like debating with a particularly obtuse stone. Where did I suggest you’ve posted anything anti immigration? Ffs

There are moments when I am happy to be 70 and therefore unlikely to witness how this plays out. On the basis of my parents longevity, I may have another 18-20 years to go, but I doubt I am going to pick up a cudgel to fight anyone off.

You are not being unreasonable OP. But the far left on here will just call you racist for expressing a perfectly valid point.

I’ve come to the conclusion that at least half the people on MN are so sheltered from most people”’s reality in their M&S naice Christmas, company cars, house in nice area, well respected jobs and good schools, they simply have no idea what is happening and about to have. Re immigration. Large parts of the world will be uninhabitable in a few decades- look to see the type of regime these countries operate. This is what’s coming to us. I don’t know whether it’s stupidity of naivety but I think they think life will carry on as normal here with a bit more cultural diversity and everyone will rub along nicely. If food gets short they might have to supplant their M&s Christmas with something from Sainsburys.

To be clear, I am not suggesting that the invasion will involve planes or tanks. Just rubber dinghies. No military strategist could have envisaged this. And yes, I agree that most migrants arrive by plane with papers, and want only to work for a better future for themselves and their families.

To prevent the uninvited arrivals, now that the size of the rubber boats has increased so vastly since 2020, we need the Navy policing the Strait of Dover and shunting them back to France. When the small boats started, there were 10 or 15 aboard; the current versions carry 100, which is almost the crew of a naval frigate.

This is the most frightening element in the whole thread. If most of the displaced -by-climate-change migrants are migrating north to more temperate zones, there is going to be conflict as the entire global south decides to move north in pursuit of peace and prosperity. At nearly 70, I am not going to be the person who fights off the invasion but most of MN appears to disagree that invasion is a risk.

You may possess a British passport and have been born outwith the UK. My DH was born in Cyprus, in 1956, in the British military hospital in Nicosia, Cyprus to a serving Army officer and his wife, who was a nurse trained at the Middlesex hospital in central London. His passport says British, place of birth, Nicosia, Cyprus.

Possibly so but if jobs are in short supply the mismatch will be problematic

Wow that is insightful. 😆

OMG they walk among us!!! It is sad that people fall for this nonsense.

Yep, and they can also look up rainfall totals over the last year, compare these with normal rainfall totals over the period and realise that it's been an unusually dry year.

Your need to blame immigrants is - put charitably - a bit of a reach.

Severn Trent said the low water levels is due to the weather. The same councillor suggested SEN children are “over supported” which will news to SEN parents.

https://www.leicester.news/reform-councillor-blames-immigration-for-low-water-levels/

The thing with reservoirs is that people can see them with theirs eyes..

But in contrast with global warming there will a migration of people to the north, and the UK will be an attractive destination,

I’ve posted a bunch of links for your reading pleasure OP. Have a look through my posts on this thread and you’ll find them.

They demonstrate that overall population growth was 11m, death rate was lower than birth rate, and net immigration was not 11m. It’s all there if you just try and have a read.

Oh dear. You’ve been listening to a particularly thick reform councillor I fear. His views on low reservoirs has been swiftly debunked.

I think it’ll drop as tech comes in. We won’t won’t extra people as jobs will be an issue.

It doesn't matter at all. I never made any judgement the number it is what is? I have proposed lots of ways manage increasing size, so palatable than others. Lots of people want more people to come so we need a plan to manage it. It will need to chance. Should the government be doing what the Chinese government is doing and buying up farm aboard to give food security? There has to be a plan for the long term.

Why does it matter so much that 1 in however many are foreign born? Why does it matter that an x% of babies born in the UK have foreign parents? Why are some people so obsessed with the idea of 'white British' people becoming a minority - as if whiteness is an indicator of anything at all?

There are many legitimate debates to have about immigration. Most of mine centre on robbing countries of their brightest and best, but I also muse on the matter of choices and consequences: if as a country you prioritise short term gain for the wealthiest among us and refuse to invest in educating and training up your own, this is what you get and nobody wins.

But the whole numbers, ethnicity and ascribed qualities is just the Great Replacement Theory in a nicer suit.

I have posted anything anti-immigration. My posts have assumed we accept immigration what do we do manage it. Lets assume we are good with another 5m people regardless of where they come from in the next 10 years. e.g. we 10 new Manchesters. What do we do to manage it? Move from arguing about the number because you say if you pro-immigration it doesn't matter - if anything presumably want more.

They don’t agree your number is correct - or if they do they’re mistaken too. They agree immigration needs to be discussed and controlled. Which I don’t think many disagree with. I don’t.

I DO disagree with making up numbers to try and push a political point though and I will vehemently oppose anyone who does so.

Yep

your lack of understanding of this principle is more evidence that you’re not used to working with data and facts.

If I state
‘88% of people who are anti-immigration deep down are racists’ you can’t then give me a number that disproves that.

Because it doesn’t exist.

But that doesn’t mean my original statement is true.

Stop with the silly gifs and let me know whether you understand that or if you need further explanation.