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11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:40

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

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EasternStandard · 05/10/2025 08:39

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 20:51

Other countries are taking steps slowly and surely to protect themselves. China are buying up resources and land around the world. The USA is securing the mineral rights it needs. Russia's looking secure the fertile farm land it needs.

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We’re still in that left narrative that means any mention of incoming issues is met with snark and insult. It’s madness. People are unable to discuss numbers. Or what the next few decades should or will look like.

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Uggbootsforever · 05/10/2025 07:28

Jade3450 · 04/10/2025 23:45

But you peddled your own lie: that immigration was only 2.5 million since 2025. Being generous, you interpreted the data wrong.

You seemed to think 2.5m was ok, but 11m would be ludicrous. Is 6.6m ok? Or 8m? I wonder where your line is?

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Where that poster got 2.5 million from I have no clue! Pulled from his or her arse presumably

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Uggbootsforever · 05/10/2025 07:27

Jade3450 · 04/10/2025 23:45

But you peddled your own lie: that immigration was only 2.5 million since 2025. Being generous, you interpreted the data wrong.

You seemed to think 2.5m was ok, but 11m would be ludicrous. Is 6.6m ok? Or 8m? I wonder where your line is?

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I added up the confirmed, official source data up thread and did my workings out for everyone to see with indisputable facts taken from ONS, and the absolute minimum number is 7 million, and this does not include illegal immigrants or people who have overstayed visas. So I think 8-10 million is a good conservative estimate.

All the denialists have done on here is tantrum and try to obfuscate at every opportunity I suspect because even they are slightly horrified at the numbers but need to stick to the party line.

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SouthernNights59 · 05/10/2025 07:03

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 05/10/2025 06:15

This thread is like leftist bingo “good people think like me” “ people who don’t think like me are thick” “ people who don’t think like me have been manipulated whereas clever me has done lots of research”. “ you’re just a hateful bigot -you should be kind and lovely like me” all muttered without any acknowledgment,or recognition, of the irony

Jade3450 · 04/10/2025 23:45

nomas · 04/10/2025 14:21

And this is precisely why good people need to challenge every single lie.

Because every single lie, if allowed to stand, emboldens people further.

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But you peddled your own lie: that immigration was only 2.5 million since 2025. Being generous, you interpreted the data wrong.

You seemed to think 2.5m was ok, but 11m would be ludicrous. Is 6.6m ok? Or 8m? I wonder where your line is?

Clavinova · 04/10/2025 23:35

SanctusInDistress · 04/10/2025 11:31

Sweetie, here is the difference:

the Dublin agreement is between EU countries. It means that they can be returned to the previous EU country they came from. Small boats came to the uk from France, so they could automatically be returned to France. No questions asked.

spain and Greece border Africa, people arrive there directly from an non-eu country, so it is a preferred route because there no other EU country to return them to. The uk is no longer part of the eu so we can’t return them back to France where they came from.

if you look at the graph for the uk, small boats started rising straight after Brexit be After Brexit made it harder for us to send them back to France.

do you understand the implications of Brexit better now?

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Your previous link says;

'In practice, few people were returned under Dublin when the UK was still a member – an average of 560 a year between 2008 and 2020.'

Small boats came to the uk from France, so they could automatically be returned to France. No questions asked.

Not true at all - Lord [Neil] Kinnock is probably thinking of a bilateral agreement we had with France in the mid-1990s, which lapsed in 1997 when the EU-wide Dublin Regulation first came into force.

10,000 people came by small boat whilst we were still members of the Dublin agreement - we were full members right up until the end of 2020. We sent around 130 asylum seekers back to France during that period (2018 - 2020) - France sent more to us in return.

Republic of Ireland are still members;

August 2024
Ireland applied to send more than 2,750 asylum applicants back to the EU country where they first arrived or sought international protection, but has been able to return only 31, the Department of Justice has said.

The department admitted the system for inter-country transfers was not "fit for purpose" and that what is known as the Dublin Regulation had significant problems and was ineffective.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-applied-to-return-2758-asylum-seekers-in-the-past-four-years-but-only-31-were-sent-back/a593136726.html

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 23:35

I’m not voting Reform either as I don’t trust them.

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 23:34

JHound · 04/10/2025 22:34

11m immigrants since 2000.

Source: “Dude, Trust Me”.

Read the thread before embarrassing yourself with unfunny jokes

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JHound · 04/10/2025 22:34

11m immigrants since 2000.

Source: “Dude, Trust Me”.

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 22:31

ClearUnderfoot · 04/10/2025 21:25

I will never vote Reform. I hike, and all my walking friends are saying the same, we have never seen them so low for so long.

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And? Still doesn’t mean the Reform councillor was right (he wasn’t). Genuinely, what is your point? You think migrants have guzzled all your water?

Notonthestairs · 04/10/2025 21:41

Well we haven’t opened a new reservoir since 1992. Maybe our governments should have factored that into good governance.

That said Spring 2025 was the driest in over a century I believe.

ClearUnderfoot · 04/10/2025 21:25

Acommonreader · 04/10/2025 18:53

Oh dear. You’ve been listening to a particularly thick reform councillor I fear. His views on low reservoirs has been swiftly debunked.

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I will never vote Reform. I hike, and all my walking friends are saying the same, we have never seen them so low for so long.

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 21:12

pointythings · 04/10/2025 19:39

Yep, and they can also look up rainfall totals over the last year, compare these with normal rainfall totals over the period and realise that it's been an unusually dry year.

Your need to blame immigrants is - put charitably - a bit of a reach.

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As I don't think water shortages are caused by immigration but I do mitgration will be caused by water shortage. The world is warming and people will be pushed north.

Papyrophile · 04/10/2025 21:11

I do realise that most people living in the UK realise that it is not the land of milk and honey, and free health care with generous benefits for all. But there are some folk who think they are suave enough to smooth past the guardians.

Fifteen years ago, we travelled around the world to celebrate DH living through catastrophic health issues. We spent a month in Sri Lanka and rented a lovely house, owned by a woman who had gone to Leeds for an operation, which her DS (an NHS employee) had assured her would be free on the NHS.

The NHS declined to treat her, because she had no entitlement to treatment for free.

WaryCrow · 04/10/2025 21:10

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Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 21:06

Ok, I’m going to leave the conversation with you here. It’s not constructive and it’s hard to debate with you as you’re a bit all over the place. So every response is met with a random ‘other’. Bit of a Trump move I guess. Confuse and obfuscate.

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 21:03

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 21:00

Sorry, you didn’t answer my question. You just posed another question to me. This is a part of your modus operandi? That and not making much sense!

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There's not point answering your questions. I've come to conclude you're a bit of a conspiracy theorist given you don't believe the ONS.

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 21:00

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 20:52

Where have you posted anything constructive?

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Sorry, you didn’t answer my question. You just posed another question to me. This is a part of your modus operandi? That and not making much sense!

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 20:59

Papyrophile · 04/10/2025 20:57

I couldn't disagree with you @Bumblebee72 , but please can get your Alexa to learn to spell? Champagne... please!

Well at least no one can say I'm AI 😀

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 20:58

Papyrophile · 04/10/2025 20:57

I couldn't disagree with you @Bumblebee72 , but please can get your Alexa to learn to spell? Champagne... please!

I don’t think it’s Alexa, Bumblebee has been struggling to make sense all day. I think it’s wine

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 20:58

WildLimePoet · 04/10/2025 20:48

You are not being unreasonable OP. But the far left on here will just call you racist for expressing a perfectly valid point.

Will they? Have they? Is anyone that disagrees with your opinion ‘far left’. If that’s a truth then does that make you ‘far right?’ Hmmm, things to ponder eh?!

Papyrophile · 04/10/2025 20:57

I couldn't disagree with you @Bumblebee72 , but please can get your Alexa to learn to spell? Champagne... please!

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 20:55

Acommonreader · 04/10/2025 20:12

Wow that is insightful. 😆

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I think the Reform counsellor is wrong to conclude immigration will cause watershortages, I'm fairly clear the water shortages will cause migration across the world. The South of England now has a better climate for growing champaign than the champaign region in France. Lots of estates are opening vineyard to benefit from this. It is happening and happening quite fast.

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 20:52

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 20:51

This is like debating with a particularly obtuse stone. Where did I suggest you’ve posted anything anti immigration? Ffs

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Where have you posted anything constructive?

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