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11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:40

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

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Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2025 09:24

Neighbours87 · 04/10/2025 09:15

We’ve also seen a dramatically aging population. Less babies are being born and more people are aging with longer lifespans. This has led to many gaps in society more people are retiring out of the workforce that aging in. Who is going to those jobs and pay the taxes that keep society going and fund the pensions. Also all those people who are growing old and frail need the be cared for. There is more pressure on the nhs and demand on the caring professions. We need immigrants to do those jobs and pay the taxes to fund them.

We don’t necessarily need immigrants to do these jobs, but we need to make the jobs more attractive to people already here. There are many unemployed people who could go into these jobs. Caring for our elderly is an important job, and people doing the role need to have more training, better pay, have at least basic qualifications. As it stands too many people are in the roles who do not provide good care because they’re uneducated, minimum wage and unsuitable for caring roles. They’re in them because generally, the employers have difficulty attracting people and so it’s people who are doing it because of the minimum skills required. Until recently, when I’ve had experience of having relatives in these care homes, I’d no idea just how bad the standard of care is in these places.

NototerrorismIntheUK · 04/10/2025 09:24

CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 09:19

It is clearly not going to be the unskilled migrants is it? Or the large numbers of others who do not work but just add to our tax burden.

I think that's why the government have proposed stopping people bringing family members. Some brought grandparents, parents etc and many don't contribute adding to problems with care, NHS etc. Come to work, but really do we need all the family too, unless people agree to pay for them. That seems reasonable.

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 04/10/2025 09:24

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 09:12

The older generations are bigger but they were here pre-2000 so haven’t added to the rise.

That's... not how the population count works.

More older people LIVING longer because in previous cohorts the older generations died sooner.

These older people now were not the existing older people then - they were the younger working aged population. Then as they have aged and more babies are born and yes some migration, the population has grown instead of staying at static levels.

Think of it as one in (born or migrated) and one out (died). The one's out are fewer therefore creating the bulge.

JamieCannister · 04/10/2025 09:23

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 04/10/2025 09:18

Just checking... so then Brits should also not be allowed to emigrate? Cool.

Whether other countries do or do not accept UK citizens is nothing to do with us. Who we let in is our choice.

I do not advocate not allowing Brits to emigrate, but if they're doing so to aoid tax there should be a clawback if they ever choose to return.

Gall10 · 04/10/2025 09:22

OP… tell me you support Fartage & the far right…that’s probably where you got your crazy figures from. Better go & check your flag hasn’t blown away in the wind.

thedramaQueen · 04/10/2025 09:22

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 09:20

Good luck with that!

Yes, I'm guessing my request will be ignored, but I will wait a bit and see if evidence can be supplied.

NototerrorismIntheUK · 04/10/2025 09:21

CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 09:10

Now look at population density for England. The Scottish highlands distort the figures.

Stay in their own countries and try to improve things there?

CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 09:20

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 04/10/2025 09:18

Just checking... so then Brits should also not be allowed to emigrate? Cool.

Do you think other countries should remove all their immigration laws and let us access their benefits systems too?

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 09:20

thedramaQueen · 04/10/2025 09:18

Have you got a source for this claim - I would like to see it. Thanks

Good luck with that!

CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 09:19

Neighbours87 · 04/10/2025 09:15

We’ve also seen a dramatically aging population. Less babies are being born and more people are aging with longer lifespans. This has led to many gaps in society more people are retiring out of the workforce that aging in. Who is going to those jobs and pay the taxes that keep society going and fund the pensions. Also all those people who are growing old and frail need the be cared for. There is more pressure on the nhs and demand on the caring professions. We need immigrants to do those jobs and pay the taxes to fund them.

It is clearly not going to be the unskilled migrants is it? Or the large numbers of others who do not work but just add to our tax burden.

Notonthestairs · 04/10/2025 09:19

JamieCannister · 04/10/2025 09:18

Clogged roads, packed public transport, high housing costs and ever less open space and countryside does, however.

Thats a failure of infrastructure planning & investment.

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 04/10/2025 09:18

Just checking... so then Brits should also not be allowed to emigrate? Cool.

thedramaQueen · 04/10/2025 09:18

CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 09:13

They could employ some of the thousands of uk trained doctors who have been left unemployed this year as a result of giving equal priority to any doctor who wants to move here.

Have you got a source for this claim - I would like to see it. Thanks

JamieCannister · 04/10/2025 09:18

fizzyroselemonade · 04/10/2025 08:42

ranked 8th for population density in Europe does not automatically translate to overpopulation

Clogged roads, packed public transport, high housing costs and ever less open space and countryside does, however.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 09:17

Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2025 09:11

Absolutely. It’s happening in plain sight, and I think it’s going to be the ‘new’ problem the government are going to have to address. My industry is being hugely compromised by AI. From advertising many roles several years ago, we’re now adverting nothing. Voluntary redundancies are no more. Now it’s compulsory ones.

Yep. How to tax AI replacement, that’s the biggie. Plus what to do if there’s too many unemployed. Immigration and always increasing won’t be the main driver.

CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 09:17

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 09:12

It’s such a worry isn’t it.

People seem to think a garden and local park is enough, they have no clue about our farming needs and the impact of this on our wildlife

We haven’t been able to feed ourselves for decades but Labour seems intent on undermining food production completely.

Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2025 09:16

ilovesooty · 04/10/2025 09:10

The world is changing and population is shifting. Where would you like potential immigrants to the UK to go instead?

There’s no easy answer to that. Maybe more education about the reality of what’s awaiting them here. People coming in who have no skills or no command of the English language are going to end up potentially jobless or exploited or living on the streets. I recall watching something some time ago where some immigrants were being interviewed who weren’t aware of the reality, having been sold the dream, and that they wouldn’t have come here had they known.

Neighbours87 · 04/10/2025 09:15

We’ve also seen a dramatically aging population. Less babies are being born and more people are aging with longer lifespans. This has led to many gaps in society more people are retiring out of the workforce that aging in. Who is going to those jobs and pay the taxes that keep society going and fund the pensions. Also all those people who are growing old and frail need the be cared for. There is more pressure on the nhs and demand on the caring professions. We need immigrants to do those jobs and pay the taxes to fund them.

Canle1905 · 04/10/2025 09:15

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 04/10/2025 08:57

Why would anyone from Australia go too the UK for healthcare? I've lived in both countries, healthcare in Oz is better.

I’m not sure. I do know they paid privately in Australia for tests, etc. They also want to
die here and not in Australia. Which I can sympathise with but as I say can they just “slot” back in to NHS care? I think the answer is yes.

For elderly Americans who may have to
pay here it will still be less costly than in the states.

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 09:15

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 09:14

Ok. So net migration started as 100,000 in the early 90s and rose to a peak of 800,000 just after Covid. Even if it had stayed 100,000, then 30 years of this would be 3 million. Let’s say the average in this time was 300,000, and that’s a conservative estimate. That’s 9 million people.

"Even if" "Let's say" are not indicators of fact

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 09:14

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 09:11

I don't know the figure. But I'm not the one claiming my "easily worked out" figure is a fact. Just because I don't know (a brief Google suggests you're wrong from multiple sources) it doesn't make your figure true FFS 😂

Ok. So net migration started as 100,000 in the early 90s and rose to a peak of 800,000 just after Covid. Even if it had stayed 100,000, then 30 years of this would be 3 million. Let’s say the average in this time was 300,000, and that’s a conservative estimate. That’s 9 million people.

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CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 09:13

thedramaQueen · 04/10/2025 09:11

Even if immigration was stopped tomorrow people are still going to be angry until this is sorted, only at the moment they have a perceived acceptable source to blame. And in fact they might get more annoyed when they find there is no one to do the jobs in the NHS and caring services.

It really does annoy me how all our problems are blamed on immigrants rather than successive governments failures..

They could employ some of the thousands of uk trained doctors who have been left unemployed this year as a result of giving equal priority to any doctor who wants to move here.

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 09:12

NotMeNoNo · 04/10/2025 09:11

If you look at the population pyramid, it's actually older age groups who are increasing the numbers. Immigrants are almost all working age and necessarily filling the gap. The vast majority are either students or people who are working in your local hospital or hotel or construction site and doing valuable jobs.

The older generations are bigger but they were here pre-2000 so haven’t added to the rise.

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NotDavidTennant · 04/10/2025 09:12

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 09:07

https://fullfact.org/immigration/net-migration-to-the-uk/

If you look at the chart, immigration has been a minimum of net 100,000 since the early 90s, and peaked in the late 2010s with net going up to 800,000 or 900,000. In that time our population has grown by 11 million people, but British citizens haven’t been having children at a rate to sustain the population in years. No one source will give you the figure but you can easily work it out. If you produce a different number I would be interested to see it?

Some of that population growth is due to people living longer.

Off the top of my head net migration since 2001 is more like 5-6 million.

NototerrorismIntheUK · 04/10/2025 09:12

The recorded figures show

The population of England and Wales continued to grow in the year to mid-2024, reaching an estimated 61.8 million people (61,806,682). The size of the population increased by 706,900 (1.2%) from mid-2023.30 Jul 2025

Undocumented people would just be a guess though.

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