11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

If the excess births are down to immigrants who choose not to integrate and despise western values like tolerance of gay men or the existence of women's rights, and teach their kids to be the same, then it might as well all be immigrants.

In any case the truth (as measured by government stats) is irrelevant.

Don't get me wrong, I like logical decisions based on an analysis of the data, but we are well beyond that.

Fact is, whatever the truth about precise numbers, a massive chunk of the population think we have too much immigration and lots of bad immigration and no amount of data is going to convince them otherwise. Because when they walk down the high street it looks nothing like it did 10 years ago, let alone 30.

You can try to convince people that their perception of life in the UK is wrong, but you will fail, and all the time you tell people they're idiots for believing stats like OPs you will see Farage's (spit - disgusting grifter) popularity rise still further.

Happy to see some statistics then?

What does this mean?

Ok fair enough. Maybe let’s deport people who have never paid tax? Thst should get population down a fair bit.

You are completely ignoring who are responsible for those births though.

On the contrary, you see the impact of immigration on demand for public services.

The narrative is incredibly strong, but I think it’ll drop pq as AI changes things. Plus I agree on keeping the nature we have.

Im an immigrant, been here 30 years. I’ve paid tax all this time, never got benefits. I know of a British born person who has never worked, has 2 children, got herself a good benefits lawyer. Never worked, children go to state-paid private schools because SEN whilst indulging in very expensive hobbies as a lifestyle choice. Go figure. But I’m the bad guy here?

This has been the case for years though. During ww2 we weren’t producing nearly enough food to sustain the population. We would’ve had mass starvation if it weren’t for rationing. We’ve had 75 years to rectify that and still haven’t.

Proves a figure for what?

I’ve proved that our population increased by 11 million, and that in many years there were more births than deaths. So how is the population increase of 11 million caused solely by immigrants?

I’m not sure how else to explain it to you other than more births than deaths will lead to a population increase. When someone is born the population goes up by 1. When someone dies the population goes down by 1. If you take the number of births and subtract the number of deaths you are left with a positive number. That means the population has increased.

If you don’t understand that I’m guessing you don’t understand what “net migration” means either?

You are not the person to be asking someone for evidence or to back up a claim your figure isn't automatically true until proven otherwise 😂😂😂

It says in that article "Based on ONS administrative data, annual net migration between 2012 and 2024 totalled an estimated 4.68 million."
And “most migrants come to the UK for periods of only a few years, before emigrating again”

Mass unemployment is coming down the line with AI. It's already happening.

I'm always amazed that people who say we need immigration because of an aging population seem to be oblivious to the 987,000 NEETS (young people not in education, employment or training). See Office for National Statistics. This is up 100,000 since last year.

Getting young people Into work is a hugely difficult task. But the present situation is unsustainable and a disaster for our society.

Walk into any school or hospital and you'll see why you bloody need immigrants 🙄

We ARE very densly populated compared to France, Germany, Spain. Just because we have some green space left doesn't negate that FFS. We are not self sufficient in food stuffs, we are the MOST nature depleted country in Europe as well, due to that loss of habitat.

There is a limit to what a country can sustain.

Take Scotland out of the UK, and the figures for England are even more horrendous. England on its own is massively fucked on all natural measures. Space, food, nature, water, infrastructure.

“Last year, there were over 25,000 applicants for fewer than 13,000 available places, and 58% of these applicants were trained abroad. This year, the number of applicants has risen to over 33,000, with 63% coming from doctors trained outside the uk.”

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2025-05-07/bma-we-could-potentially-see-thousands-of-unemployed-doctors

You’ve picked a high birth year, are there some with high deaths? It probably is possible to work out if the years are available and how much is from immigration v births / deaths ratio.

Link for my post: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/vitalstatisticspopulationandhealthreferencetables

You’ve misunderstood the data OP.

Im guessing you’re referring to the table which shows population GROWTH is roughly 11 million since 2000, it’s explained right under the link to the data set that “Changes in the size of the UK population are mainly determined by international migration, births and deaths.”

Here is the number of births and deaths annually in the UK from 2000-2021, and it does not show that every single year deaths are higher than births. In some years the number of births is substantially higher, to take a random year as an example in 2012 there were 812,970 live births in the United Kingdom, and 569,024 deaths.

Not sure if you’re being deliberately goady, or you just can’t get your head round all the big numbers?

When I lived and worked in another country and had my first child I couldn't even get maternity pay let alone access to any benefits.

No it isn't - the destruction of the countryside is unavoidable as the population rises.

Besides which, if, decade after decade, we cannot plan and invest in infrastructure we need to reduce immigration to the level that a failing country can accommodate and not pretend we are competent.