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Uggbootsforever · 2025-10-04T07:40:28+00:00

Sorry, it’s another immigration one. I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me. The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year. I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way. Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 10:08

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:05

Well you must hate wildlife, because you want to continue a project which is destroying their habitats. Why do you hate them so much?

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So that’s the new idea re immigration?
We need to stop immigration to protect little birds? That’s the argument?

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Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2025 10:08

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 10:04

I don't agree with it because it's not true

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There are many posts on MN where the facts and figures and content are not spot on. People can challenge them on the information, then people will read and take into account the alternative take from others. I think people generally are intelligent enough to do their own fact finding.

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:08

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 10:06

Of course we can build more infrastructure. We could easily build roads and railways. The will just isn't there

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More habitat destruction, higher flood risk, more pollution, green lungs lost…

Why would I want what remains of the countryside built over with motorways?

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Blusteryskies · 04/10/2025 10:08

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 08:50

And you think that whole 11 million is immigrants? I think you've had a bit of a mare here and should probably delete this post

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Agreed, it should be deleted. I'm so fed up with people peddling lies on this site. How many more fools will read her post and treat it as fact? No wonder so many fools are gobbling up Reform's bile, when so many can't even begin to comprehend or analyse statistics.

LindorDoubleChoc · 04/10/2025 10:07

SamVan · 04/10/2025 10:02

there’s nothing wrong with immigration - uk needs more people to keep its economy going. The question is getting the right people who are going to contribute to society and providing them jobs and ways to do so. This country is too focused on old pensioners that everything else has fallen by the wayside.

Oh aye. What are we going to do with all those pesky OAPs eh?

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 10:06

Phobiaphobic · 04/10/2025 10:05

For all the pro-immigration open borders people, I always ask how many is too many? Because we have a finite physical infrastructure. There is no way we can build a bigger road or train network, even if we could add many more houses, hospitals and schools. There are physical limits and at some point you have to put limits on how many more people can come in without life here becoming untenable. But if putting limits in place is racist, then what are our options?

Of course we can build more infrastructure. We could easily build roads and railways. The will just isn't there

bemoresloth · 04/10/2025 10:06

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:01

I’ve said very clearly on multiple threads that I do not want mass deportation, and I am not a Reform voter (nor will I be).

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So what are you saying then?

Immigration was too high and now it's coming down.

DustlandFairytaleBeginning · 04/10/2025 10:06

@Uggbootsforever I've put YABU. There is so much misinformation out there and you absolutely need to cite your sources. This sounds plainly wrong anyway and you haven't shown it is net migration. It sounds like your figures would include our international workers who come over from the US and Europe for a year or twos contract, but who knows as I can't see what you are looking at.

I spent ages debating with a lady the other day who was saying over and over that 'immigrants commit more crimes than non immigrants' and when I finally saw her source it was a % change over three years and worth absolutely nothing mathematically without starting and end totals.

Too many people don't understand maths and statistics properly for me to believe you have truly evaluated something I can't see and take it on merit.

caringcarer · 04/10/2025 10:06

NaanPeshwari · 04/10/2025 08:48

It's not just 11 million people have come.

You've also had X people leave.

Then you birth and death. X people died. X people born.

So we didn't just add 11 million people. Slightly misleading.

From ONS :

The UK population at mid-year 2021 was estimated to be 67.0 million, an increase of 3.7 million (5.9%) on the population in mid-2011.

The number of immigrants has gone through the roof since COVID.

Sunshineandoranges · 04/10/2025 10:06

fizzyroselemonade · 04/10/2025 08:42

ranked 8th for population density in Europe does not automatically translate to overpopulation

It does round here...huge tower blocks going up everywhere.

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:06

Phobiaphobic · 04/10/2025 10:05

For all the pro-immigration open borders people, I always ask how many is too many? Because we have a finite physical infrastructure. There is no way we can build a bigger road or train network, even if we could add many more houses, hospitals and schools. There are physical limits and at some point you have to put limits on how many more people can come in without life here becoming untenable. But if putting limits in place is racist, then what are our options?

They won’t answer - they never do. Never once, in probably hundreds of such threads, have I seen this question answered.

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CatchingtheCat · 04/10/2025 10:06

Digdongdoo · 04/10/2025 10:00

Of course it is a thread about immigration. You didn't even mention any other factors like births, deaths or life expectancy.

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Immigration also increases births, a fact pp seem to want to deny

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:05

Themedat · 04/10/2025 10:05

How old are all these people commenting about deletion and mass deportation and what not?

I have only just come on this thread 5 mins ago, haven’t even had a chance to read it properly yet. This is a perfectly legitimate conversation that has been had multiple times on MN over the entire time I have been on here. C. 15 years or so.

Never has anyone had that reaction. What has happened to the country, our education system, our zeitgeist; that people can not discuss a a simple numbers based science question.

Seriously what the fuck is going on!?

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Phobiaphobic · 04/10/2025 10:05

For all the pro-immigration open borders people, I always ask how many is too many? Because we have a finite physical infrastructure. There is no way we can build a bigger road or train network, even if we could add many more houses, hospitals and schools. There are physical limits and at some point you have to put limits on how many more people can come in without life here becoming untenable. But if putting limits in place is racist, then what are our options?

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 10:05

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:02

So prove me wrong, with numbers.

Work out the net migration figure since 2000, and tell me it.

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This is just nuts. Your 11 million figure is simply not true, and multiple people have explained why.

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 10:05

The U.K. has NEVER been self sufficient, even less so after the industrialisation.
Even during WWII when all the farmland used was maximised, it only managed to cover about 60% of the needs.
It’s not new. And has little to do with ‘immigration’

Themedat · 04/10/2025 10:05

How old are all these people commenting about deletion and mass deportation and what not?

I have only just come on this thread 5 mins ago, haven’t even had a chance to read it properly yet. This is a perfectly legitimate conversation that has been had multiple times on MN over the entire time I have been on here. C. 15 years or so.

Never has anyone had that reaction. What has happened to the country, our education system, our zeitgeist; that people can not discuss a a simple numbers based science question.

Seriously what the fuck is going on!?

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:05

Donttellempike · 04/10/2025 10:03

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Well you must hate wildlife, because you want to continue a project which is destroying their habitats. Why do you hate them so much?

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Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 10:04

Digdongdoo · 04/10/2025 10:00

Of course it is a thread about immigration. You didn't even mention any other factors like births, deaths or life expectancy.

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Immigration is controllable. Or are you suggesting rather than focusing on the controllable bit we should start controlling life expectancy and the number of deaths, by most sane people that is seen a dystopian step that governments shouldn't ever consider (withdraw medical introversions for over 70 etc)

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 10:04

Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2025 09:56

Why? You think it should be deleted because you don’t agree with or like what’s being said? If the thread’s frustrating you, then why not just, you know, hide it?

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I don't agree with it because it's not true

Donttellempike · 04/10/2025 10:03

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 09:59

Do you hate wildlife? Why do you want them all wiped out?

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Underthinker · 04/10/2025 10:03

Phobiaphobic · 04/10/2025 10:00

If you built on all that countryside, we'd have nothing to eat. A country can be overpopulated and still needs lots of countryside for food.

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Yes.
The argument that the UK is not overpopulated because we still have countryside is like saying housing isn't overcrowded if you can still see carpet.

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 10:02

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 10:01

Because it's not bloody true!

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So prove me wrong, with numbers.

Work out the net migration figure since 2000, and tell me it.

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SamVan · 04/10/2025 10:02

there’s nothing wrong with immigration - uk needs more people to keep its economy going. The question is getting the right people who are going to contribute to society and providing them jobs and ways to do so. This country is too focused on old pensioners that everything else has fallen by the wayside.

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 10:02

11million people.
11 millions who came as adults, already trained, saving us thousands and thousands of pounds re their education, health etc….
11 millions who work in the U.K., creating wealth. Spending money. Allowing for the U.K. economy to grow
11 millions who are part of the workforce companies need. And wo which theyd struggle
11 millions, of which a sizeable number are doctors and nurses taking care of us.
11 millions that pay taxes, allowing us to pay pensions (better ratio between working age peole vs retired)
11 millions to compensate for the poor natality rate we have. One that creates huge issues society wide (look at Japan and the impact of an elderly population on the economy)

Yep. Theres a lot to be thankful to those 11 millions that decided to come here.