11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

For those who say increase in population is because we are living longer - it is no longer true, life expectancy has started to drop.

I just can't even deal with this sort of bullshit anymore

People are welcome to work out another figure.

MIL is 83 she has just had treatment for cancer, no idea of the exact cost but not that that ago she would probably be dead by now.

The human race has become too good at surviving, it’s actually a real problem as odd as that seems. Malthus was writing about it in the 1700’s and saw the projected population figures as being an issue. Have a look at The Malthusian catastrophe if interested. What he didn’t factor in was the huge advances in modern medicine.

@CatchingtheCat Labour have zero idea regarding farming. We stayed on a hill farm in Wales last week. He admits on paper his farm is worth a lot but it’s all in the land. He has no idea how the inheritance tax will be paid when he dies. It’s not some lowland with easy access to services that a builder would like it’s literally in the middle of nowhere.

All the Green initiatives are pissing in the wind really, the entire population of the planet needs reducing.

It was all about survive of the fittest for most of humankind’s existence, it isn’t any more.

But it's not true! Jesus fucking Christ it's not subjective it's just wrong! I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall

You are bang on. I work in a hospital thay works daily at double capacity. Most staff atleast doing the job of 2 people sometimes alot more. There are not enough hospitals or health care facilities for the populstions. Some goes for schools, houses, roads.

They do though. They absolutely do this is the problem. Someone comes on here sees this and now they think 11 million immigrants have come over and they then spread this figure.

This post is absolutely a problem.

The arguments they're coming out with these days are unbelievable. There was a Reform councillor who was blaming sewage in the waterways on immigrants, rather than on the water companies who have ploughed billions into shareholders' pockets rather than investing in critical infrastructure. Absolute clowns the lot of them, but what does it say about this country that so many are lapping up this garbage.

But you and others have challenged the figures. People will make their own minds up.

Of course it has been. But population growth is making us even more reliant on imports. More reliance on imports is a bad thing

Seriously? You think people on here haven’t already made their own minds up about situations, based on their own research? I honestly don’t think anyone coming on here is going to change their minds or blindly follow someone based on figures provided on one post. It’s all relative. Figures can be manipulated or twisted to meet someone’s agenda on both sides.

If something is posted that isn't true, it should be removed. Especially a post like this in the current climate.

Btw @Uggbootsforever your 11 millions who work immigrants is the gross number, nit net. 7 millions have left in the U.K. in the same period…

Just for clarity

"What remains of the countryside"

As you're so big on facts you'll know what percentage of this country is built on right?

It’s a bit more than that.

We'll keep going with it, sadly. GDP etc. There aren't enough babies being born and many couples are either unable to afford children or are plagued with fertility trouble (I fall into the latter category) and many more are being priced out of IVF (the NHS offer a very limited service and there are many people against the NHS offering IVF in the first place, which I find very odd).

So the quick fix is to import infinity migrants. They'll get paid more akin with their salaries back home and are more willing to put in the effort, work twice as hard and accept a lower standard of living. The politicians responsible for such policies won't be in office for very long, a decade at most (Tony Blair lasted 8 years) so it becomes the responsibility of the newly elected, whomever they turn out to be. I don't envy them. They'll be left with a huge mess.

The future is looking pretty grim imo. We'll get through it. With our sanity intact? Not sure. But we'll survive.

Unfortunately I’m going to say people are not likely to do their own fact findings….

Have you only just worked out that the UK is not food self-sufficient?
Change your diet to more carlin beans, broad beans, hazelnuts, seaweed and winter veg and give up meat if you're that bothered. We are hopelessly inefficient and anachronistic in how we eat and how we use our land and we could do so far more effectively and no, more cows and sheep is not the best way.

@BallerinaRadiodo you think numbers should keep going up?

As people arrive they age and the situation continues, more people are needed. Or do you think at some point numbers shouldn’t go up?

Key stats1.

Net migration in recent years

For the year ending December 2024, net migration (immigrants minus emigrants) is estimated at +431,000. In the previous year (ending December 2023), it was about +860,000.

1. Annual immigration (long-term migrants)In the year ending June 2024, around 1.2 million people came to the UK intending to stay for at least 12 months. For year ending December 2023, the ONS estimated immigrant arrivals around 1.3 million.

1. Historical context / averaged net migration

According to a Migration Advisory Committee report: net migration averaged about 223,000 per year in the 2000s and about 260,000 per year in the 2010s.

---Estimation of total since 2000

If we use those averages as a baseline (which smooths out fluctuations), here’s a rough estimate:

From 2000 to 2010: ~223,000 × 10 = ~2.23 million net migrants

From 2010 to 2020: ~260,000 × 10 = ~2.60 million net migrants

From 2020 to mid-2025 (say ~5 years): net migration has jumped in recent years, so it could be more than the 2010s average. Let’s say an average of ~600,000 per year (given recent large figures).

That gives ~3.0 million in that period.Adding them:~2.23 M + ~2.60 M + ~3.00 M = ≈ 7.8 million net migrants since 2000.

^^ From ChatGPT

So, not 11 million. But still a significant amount.

I'm as liberal leftie as you can get but even I can see that this will have had an impact on people in terms of housing, services, and the feeling of being over crowded.

That being said, when most people talk about the issues that they believe immigration causes, what they are actually talking about it repeated government failure to provide adequate services. Plus the failure of the British public to understand that you can't expect Nordic style services whilst only paying Greek style taxes.