11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

Easily, eh? Really?

Christ on a bike. This is so daft I am actually lost for words.

Oh ok just going to make a post about the 44 million immigrants that have moved here since 2015 brb

@CatchingtheCat it will take some years to adjust, plus it is very regional. Overall it means is if you are in a poorer region you are more likely to die sooner. The gap is 3 years between the South East and North East.

You understand the government publish all these numbers. 16m people have migrated to the UK since 2000.

I honestly don’t think that’s the case. Go on any post on immigration on here and the figures wildly differ depending on who is posting. People really aren’t going to see one post and make decisions based on that. I never take figures from MN. It’s hardly a reliable source is it?

Agree a conversation needs to be had without fear of being accused of racism. Apparently in the years 1980-2000 approx 1.65m people immigrated to the UK; and since 2000 it is 11.4m (as OP mentions, and per Oxfords Immigration observatory). I’m afraid this is unsustainable.

I am the adopted grandaughter of asylum seekers who were granted leave to stay in the late 70s, after the fall of the Shah (legal immigrants as my grandfather was stationed at the Iranian embassy at the time), so for me this discussion is not about race. It’s about affordability: funding the NHS, schools, falling academic standards in over populated classrooms, underfunded universities relying on overseas students to keep them afloat because the Govt just doesn’t have any more money, it’s the predicted that £15bn that is being spent on current immigrants in 2025/26 (up from 4.5bn in 2019 acc to BBC reports and ONS stats), money that should be going into the NHS and education.

If we are having to look at raising taxes, how we spend government money and trying to work out whether we can afford to underwrite state pensions and the benefit system or provide more social housing, we have to do so from a position of ‘can we actually afford this’? Surely the government’s priority should be its actual citizens. Being able to support and help non-citizens has to be a secondary objective based on whether we have the resources left to help.

It's simply too many. End off. Like a party in a small semi and hundreds of uninvited folk arrive. Trouble.

the birth rate has been falling, yes people are living longer but a sizable proportion will be immigration

Wait till you find just how many of us are descended from immigrants

It's pointless having the argument about figures. The British population has increased by over 10 million in the past 25 years. This is a fact.

One school of thought is saying: it is what it is, refugees are running away from something, e.g. war, instability, lack of resources.

Another school of thought is saying: if we keep letting people into Britain, then we're going to run out of resources ourselves.

This is made more complicated by various grifters weaponising the issue and spreading misinformation on both sides of the argument, e.g. refusing to accept interference in other countries combined with climate change has created desperate conditions, therefore, millions of refugees, and refusing to accept that many British people are really struggling themselves even though they're working hard and doing their level best to provide. Put simply, both sets of 'victims' of the current system are blaming the other lot for their problems.

This is working as intended. Get the buggers to fight amongst themselves so they don't make any demands of us.

You don't like some migrant staying in a 4 star hotel while claiming asylum, tax the rich and make foreign aid work.

Here's some statistics for you, in 2000 corporation tax was 30%, by 2017 it had been slashed to 19%. In 2000 net migration was 223,000, by 2022 it was 448,000. You do the math.

Come on @Uggbootsforever this can't be right. You have a right to be concerned about how many people come across to the UK and claim asylum, and want to be put up in hotels, and cost the taxpayer money, whilst having values that don't align with our own one single iota.

But the population of the UK has increased by 10 million since the year 2000 in total, so how on earth can there be 11 million immigrants? Quite a number of the 10 million would not be immigrants, so it's very likely to be nowhere near 10 or 11 million.

I agree that the UK cannot keep wilfully taking more people in and that we have our own issues, and poor, and vulnerable people who need to be taken care of... And the housing list runs into millions of people waiting for social housing, but you've ruined your argument by quoting clearly incorrect figures.

I haven't seen you quote a direct link to your 11 million immigrants claim that you say you saw on the ONS website. That's probably because it's not there. Because that figure cannot be correct.

How long do you think it takes to actually build a railway or build roads? Years. The council here have just completed creating a small roundabout on a busy road. 5 years after starting it. And railway companies take months just to repair a line. God only knows how long it will take them to build an entire line or create a road. I think we’re probably talking decades.

I didn't make any suggestions. I'm just pointing out to OP that the thread is 100% about immigration, despite the backtracking.

It’s the swan eating migrants that I worry about… how long before they start on the pets??? Eh?eh?

I just googled it, AI said 11.4 million immigrants estimated to uk since 2000.

And all those 11 million people were immigrants? No other factors just 11 million immigrants coming over?

Given I have provided you with the evidence. What your actual thoughts on the subject now that you know that the population growths is clearly materially different to what you had been lead to believe before?

I don't think anyone can say 'there’s nothing wrong with immigration'. There are upsides and downsides to everything in life. The important thing is to weight up both the advantages and disadvantages before deciding whether to pursue or continue with something.

With what? The idea that someone can work out a figure. They can.

Obsessed much? Maybe have a nice lie down 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Well the birth rate is falling, yes people are living longer but it is likely a substantial part of that growth has come from net migration. Migration and lack of integration is a massive issue for this country. We do not have the resources to cope, it is diluting the British culture. Multiculturalism is a massive issue

If only that were true. 😵‍💫

Let me google that for you.

ONS says population of the UK ins 2000 was 58,886,100 and in 2024 it was 69,281,437. The official number to mid 2024 was 10.4m, plus the increase in the last year suggest 11m is about right.

Source:

Estimates of the population for the UK, England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland - Office for National Statistics