11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

I don’t know why some people can’t discuss this without being childish.
For context, I’m descended from immigrants and my husband is an immigrant ( 20+ years here)
I hate Reform and Farage.
However, it’s clear from the net migration graphs in ONS that there has been a huge spike in the last couple of years. Anyone living in a city, using their local hospital or schools can’t fail to notice the increase in recent immigrants. I recently spent time in hospital and I’d say about a 3rd of the women on my ward needed a translator.
The reason for the huge spike is that right wing policy of the past 15 years has been to flood the country with cheap labour. Yes, we need some immigration, but in a controlled way, not floods of people, and their entire families, all from the same few places. Most countries are quite careful about how many new people they let in, and how fast-it’s not automatically racist to be concerned. Immigrants should be able to assimilate and contribute sonething.
As for work, nearly a million young people have none, and this is going to rise- a lot. We need to invest in the people already here, create actual public transport (which is not fit for purpose outside of London) invest in training and infrastructure, farming and health.
I’m so frustrated by the current government tinkering round the edges, actively screwing over farmers and small business. And I voted for them!

Impossible. They don't want us back 😂

I disagree. We’ve had shit for decades already. There are other better solutions. Reversing Breshit (Brexit) for a start might help.

What do you mean by "take the hit"? What are expecting that to look like?

@Uggbootsforever I get your points, but can you post a link to the proof from the ONS that the UK has had 11 million immigrants since the year 2000?! (You said you saw it there...)

Coz I can't find this 'fact' anywhere. Not calling you a liar, (honestly,) I just can't see how it can be true.

I wonder if Ballerina has fallen off her chair on realising that the country has almost double the number of people than she thought. Maybe she gone to join Reform.

Not what you’re really concerned about, is it?

According to Oxford's migration watch, net migration accounted for 65% of the total population increase between 2003 and 2024. Extrapolated to the period you are talking about (2000-2025), in which the population increased by 10.4 million, this is approximately 6.76 million net migration. Of which the vast, vast majority is legal migration, where most legal migrants have to pay a surcharge to access the NHS, have no recourse to public funds (I have been one of said legal migrants, and would have been unable to access benefits at all) and are overall net contributors to the economy.

I take your point OP about population growth, but I also believe that legal migration is essential to sustain the economy and public services and restricting or eliminating this will do far more harm than good.

Look, yiu are just being massively manipulated. Let me spell it out for you:

• politicians have f**d up because they only look to short-term populism.
• Brexit happened. Crisis in supply chains.
• covid happened. When it was over, other countries recovered quickly. Not so much the uk.
• the Brexit deregulation means the uk becomes a heaven for money laundering, fuelling already spiralling supply chain driven cost of living
• government f***s it up a little bit more by increasing employer NI. Jobs market freezes and goes into decline. Except for manual jobs that only immigrants will do because brits don't like getting their hands dirty.
• politicians will not accept that thet chased populist lies over economic real-life, so they tell oriole like yiu ‘it’s the immigrants’. It’s a playbook as old as the hills.
• people like you have seen their quality of life go down as a result of bad political decisions. You need somebody to blame. You are easy prey for immigration conspiracy theories.

you are just one of millions who don’t think for themselves and so are easily manipulated. You should read the Financial Times instead of watching Googlebox tv or whatever reality show you watch.

.Nope, it's not that many, it's only 41 million.

You personally might not be. But we all know it’s the thin end of the wedge. And I still think the bigger problem is how we’ve been let down by successive governments not fixing the infrastructure. As I said in an earlier post, if you stopped immigration tomorrow things would still be sh*t for most people.

Depends when you are comparing to doesn't it?

You’re not sorry at all. You just want another immigration scaremongering, shit stirring thread.
love,
an immigrant (white, educated, LTR, NOT taking your job - unless you speak Danish, tax paying etc. The kind “you don’t mind” 🙄🙄 But so fucking SICK of the immigrant bashing threads)

The problem is ignorance. It is actually immigrants who pay the bulk of tax revenues. But yes, let’s kick them out. Meanwhile, lazy brits who have never worked wave union flags. Brilliant.

Interesting. Thanks for posting this. I wasn’t aware of it.

I still think the problem isn’t so much oversea doctors and nurses, but the way our governments have handled training of doctors and nurses. I’m surprised that home grown doctors and nurses didn’t already have priority for jobs and training places! And we all know they’ve not been training enough doctors for years!

Why are you so invested in what I think should be done about it?

@JaneEyre40 Your laughable comment about public services, I'll be honest things seemed to be run a lot better before mass immigration - hth :)

Lost quote so re-posted further down thread

One is my nephew, who is a UK trained and qualified doctor but has been unable to secure specialty training and is now in Australia (where they have unsurprisingly welcomed him with open arms). He did not want to leave but it would appear that his own country doesn’t value him or his skills and experience in quite the same way.

@Uggbootsforever "Did you know each person requires 1 acre to sustain their diet, and we now have more people than acres? So if we couldn’t import food tomorrow, we would probably starve (or a lot of us would). Importing food is disastrous for the environment, and ‘seeing plenty of green from an aeroplane’ is wildly different from having enough land to actually sustain a population."

Did you know that the UK has not been self-sustaining with regard to food for at least the last 200 years? This became most noticable during WW2 when it became very difficult to import food due to ships being attacked and the result was that food had to be officially rationed. Rationing actually continued until 1954 - long after the war had ended.

Today food is still rationed, but now instead of it being rationed using coupons and a scheme intended to ensure that everyone at least got the bare minimum requirement, today in the UK food is rationed by price.

We sure live in a post truth society!