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11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:40

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 11:25

SanctusInDistress · 04/10/2025 11:24

Does anybody know what the Dublin agreement is? I bet not. Well go on a read it.

brexit and farage caused the small boats crisis. And gammons are all falling for it. I’m laughing so hard, my sides hurt.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

Edited

Italy, Spain, and Greece experienced more unauthorised arrivals by sea than the UK in 2024.

When did they leave the EU?

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nomas · 04/10/2025 11:25

What a shame all the people who hate our country can't just leave and we could replace them with immigrants. They'd be a damn sight more useful.

Amen @HPFA

Maybe we could pay them £2,000 relocation fee to piss off.

TwistyTurnip · 04/10/2025 11:24

bemoresloth · 04/10/2025 11:21

Yes and the border controls are there. We have controlled immigration and the numbers are coming down.

Well going by the last three years, I’m yet to be convinced.

SanctusInDistress · 04/10/2025 11:24

Does anybody know what the Dublin agreement is? I bet not. Well go on a read it.

brexit and farage caused the small boats crisis. And gammons are all falling for it. I’m laughing so hard, my sides hurt.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 11:23

localnotail · 04/10/2025 11:20

Do you think massive cuts to the public services budget have nothing at all to do with this shitshow? If you do, you are very naive.

What shitshow? If our public services are still dire after record immigration, doesn’t that show immigration isn’t a silver bullet?

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nomas · 04/10/2025 11:23

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:48

Our population has increased by 11 million since 2000. British families haven’t been having enough children to sustain the population for some time now, so it makes sense. If you go to the Office for Statistics online the numbers are there.

Not this crap again. Net migration was 2.5 million, not 11 million.

You keep popping up with different names quoting the fake 11 million statistic.

HPFA · 04/10/2025 11:23

Billions taken out of the economy by Brexit and the people who wanted it now obsessing about immigration instead. Not content with all the harm they've already caused they want to elect a Reform government to do all the same damage Trump is now doing to the US.

What a shame all the people who hate our country can't just leave and we could replace them with immigrants. They'd be a damn sight more useful.

Bananadramaa · 04/10/2025 11:22

SanctusInDistress · 04/10/2025 11:19

Yes, because before Brexit we could return ‘small boats’ back to France. Now we can’t. They didn’t tell brexiteers this. Actually, tbe small boats crisis is due to brexiteers. Oh the irony.

To be fair, you could tell the Bexiteers that, but as I recall they only heard what they wanted to hear.

usernamealreadytaken · 04/10/2025 11:21

Fooshufflewickjbannanapants · 04/10/2025 08:50

Well the UK population has increased by approximately 8 million since 2000 so…….

No, the population has increased by est 10,395,300, driven primarily by immigration. The projection is that we will hit 70m in 2025.

Mid-year population estimate 2000 - 58,886,100

Mid-year population estimate 2024 - 69,281,400

Population growth resulted mostly from net international migration.

bemoresloth · 04/10/2025 11:21

TwistyTurnip · 04/10/2025 11:17

Well, there’s nothing you or I can do about it. Surely you would know that? It’s down to the Government to ensure we have effective border controls in place. I would think that’s pretty obvious really 🤷‍♀️

Yes and the border controls are there. We have controlled immigration and the numbers are coming down.

localnotail · 04/10/2025 11:20

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 11:03

Crap public services that do the bare minimum.

Do you think massive cuts to the public services budget have nothing at all to do with this shitshow? If you do, you are very naive.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 11:19

Mintine · 04/10/2025 11:16

This is shocking in itself

What’s the shocking part? That post or another one.

SanctusInDistress · 04/10/2025 11:19

BatchCookBabe · 04/10/2025 11:00

Going back into the EU would NOT stop or slow down immigration. Then again, leaving it hasn't worked either! Confused

Yes, because before Brexit we could return ‘small boats’ back to France. Now we can’t. They didn’t tell brexiteers this. Actually, tbe small boats crisis is due to brexiteers. Oh the irony.

Jade3450 · 04/10/2025 11:19

BatchCookBabe · 04/10/2025 11:09

Why aren't you posting a link to the ONS proof of the 11 millions immigrants since 2000 @Uggbootsforever ???

It’s hard to find one set of data that clearly shows this, but here’s a graph showing total immigration, emigration and net migration since 2000 (and before), so you can see this figure is fairly accurate.

11 million immigrants since 2000. When I
bemoresloth · 04/10/2025 11:19

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 04/10/2025 11:16

This is perhaps the most pathetic argument on here. It’s like you doing 200% of your target on one bumper year at work. Next year when they say you’ve done less than last year and completely ignore you’re still 175% of previous years that’s basically your argument. Utterly ridiculous

Thanks for your thoughts

We can't reverse the 2023 numbers, it happened.

Immigration will continue to happen, both to and from the UK

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 11:19

TwistyTurnip · 04/10/2025 11:17

Well, there’s nothing you or I can do about it. Surely you would know that? It’s down to the Government to ensure we have effective border controls in place. I would think that’s pretty obvious really 🤷‍♀️

We decide the government! It’ll be Reform next because of this 1 issue. Crying shame

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usernamealreadytaken · 04/10/2025 11:18

NaanPeshwari · 04/10/2025 08:48

It's not just 11 million people have come.

You've also had X people leave.

Then you birth and death. X people died. X people born.

So we didn't just add 11 million people. Slightly misleading.

From ONS :

The UK population at mid-year 2021 was estimated to be 67.0 million, an increase of 3.7 million (5.9%) on the population in mid-2011.

From ONS -

Mid-year population estimate 2000 - 58,886,100
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/timeseries/ukpop/pop#:~:text=Table_title:%20Table%20Table_content:%20header:%20%7C%20Period%20%7C,%7C%20Period:%202002%20%7C%20Value:%2059365700%20%7C

Mid-year population estimate 2024 - 69,281,400
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/mid2024

Population growth resulted mostly from net international migration

Increase of 10,395,300 estimated, driven primarily by immigration. The projection is that we will hit 70m in 2025.

United Kingdom population mid-year estimate - Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/timeseries/ukpop/pop#:~:text=Table_title:%20Table%20Table_content:%20header:%20%7C%20Period%20%7C,%7C%20Period:%202002%20%7C%20Value:%2059365700%20%7C

TwistyTurnip · 04/10/2025 11:17

bemoresloth · 04/10/2025 11:06

I am just interested, not invested.

Well, there’s nothing you or I can do about it. Surely you would know that? It’s down to the Government to ensure we have effective border controls in place. I would think that’s pretty obvious really 🤷‍♀️

Mintine · 04/10/2025 11:16

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 10:08

So that’s the new idea re immigration?
We need to stop immigration to protect little birds? That’s the argument?

🫣🫣

This is shocking in itself

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 04/10/2025 11:16

bemoresloth · 04/10/2025 11:08

The peak was in 2023, immigration has come down ever since.

Have you seen any reports predicting a rise in net migration?

This is perhaps the most pathetic argument on here. It’s like you doing 200% of your target on one bumper year at work. Next year when they say you’ve done less than last year and completely ignore you’re still 175% of previous years that’s basically your argument. Utterly ridiculous

NancyCarey · 04/10/2025 11:15

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:48

Our population has increased by 11 million since 2000. British families haven’t been having enough children to sustain the population for some time now, so it makes sense. If you go to the Office for Statistics online the numbers are there.

You’re looking at all the wrong numbers. You need to consider net migration and what it looks like in relation to population growth.

For example, what if the country’s current population growth was only supported by positive net migration, but the country is already heading towards population plateau and then decline by mid-century; what would your stance be then?

Because I can tell you that from where I’m sitting, that is exactly the situation that Scotland faces.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 11:15

orion678 · 04/10/2025 11:12

Sorry, not clear on the question - is what ongoing?

The health surcharge (currently just over £1k per year for most visa holders - visitors/holidaymakers excepted - and around £750 for student visas) is ongoing, yes. And most visa routes have the "no recourse to public funds" condition applied, meaning they are not eligible for any benefits.

Also interesting to note that net migration significantly increased after Brexit, which was supposed to have the opposite effect (if the pro Brexit politicians were to be believed)

I mean the essential line at the end of your post. If it’s essential does that need to continue and population will need to keep going up?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 04/10/2025 11:15

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:48

Our population has increased by 11 million since 2000. British families haven’t been having enough children to sustain the population for some time now, so it makes sense. If you go to the Office for Statistics online the numbers are there.

That’s simply wrong though, isn’t it. In 2000 the UK population was just over 59m, and the latest numbers have it at 67.6m (2022). 8m more is a lot less than 11m, and despite that we had, until Labour trashed the economy, what economists would describe as full employment.

The issue isn’t that you’ve got too many people in the UK, it’s that the economy has stalled and people are worse off. If everyone felt better off then this far left/right obsession with immigration would never have reached the absurd level that it has.

The trouble is the disaffected individuals used to be Labour voters, though now The Party can’t take their vote for granted they are saying out loud what the Westminster party has always thought. They have always thought that their ‘working class’ voters were slightly thick, slightly bigoted and easily manipulated for their own ends. They used that to their advantage for decades, but now others like Farage are using the methods they used they are denigrating them. A more cynical manipulation then abandonment of a class of voters is hard to find in recent history!

Notonthestairs · 04/10/2025 11:15

As bemoresloth has repeatedly posted Immigration numbers have fallen.

It peaked in 2023 to combat the 4-6% knock to GDP caused by Brexit.

thedramaQueen · 04/10/2025 11:13

MinnieSaysMickeyWasEmotionallyUnavailable · 04/10/2025 11:06

OP YANBU.

I don't know what the numbers are. However I do know that I live in an area not too far away from where I lived 30 years ago.

You can't fail to notice roads are much busier, it's harder to get away from people when walking, basic services can't cope with the number of people, houses are more crowded than they used to be and on smaller plots.

If we hadn't messed up the housing market by allowing BTL and then making it worse with the pension freedom act so lots of people at 55 took out cash and bought BTL. I know this is all been clamped down on now but house prices are just far too high now compared to incomes. We would have been far wiser to stick to what was working 30 years ago. More babies would have been born here as families could afford to survive on one wage and buy a house. (I know it is more complicated than that for example pension annuities stop being viable because interest rates were slashed after 2008 etc so thus people turned to BTL)

The biggest problem I see now is nobody will just stand up and go STOP. Close the gate now. We are full. Then start to fix all the problems.

If we did that we could start to sort out the current position and eventually in 10 years or whenever we could evaluate if we are still full or if we now have further capacity.

There are some areas that are just costing the goverment a fortune and they don't add any value and need to be addressed.
These are amongst others-
1 Council paying for temporary housing for months/years at a time as no where to put people entitled to help. We either need to build council houses or take away the entitlement of these people so the goverment is no longer paying a fortune to private landlords or hotels or whatever.

2 Immigrants in hotels. Just obvious. Basic barracks would be fine. I hope they go through with this. I suspect they won't.

3 Social care for elderly. I know from personal experience after watching how my own elderly mum was handled. She had attendance allowance £400 per month, carers in 4 times a day paid for by council. I don't know how much the council would pay to the carer agency for these staff but quite frankly they are a waste of money. Now there was the odd one that was good but many of them were young girls clearly just doing the job for the sake of a job (okay can't blame them for that). However my mum was meant to have say a half hour visit. They would come in and ask my mum if she needed help with anything. They would make my mum a cup of tea and occassionally empty the kitchen bin. There was loads of stuff they weren't allowed to do. Most of the time they left after 5 mins as my mum said no she didn't need washed (even though she did).

So actually i did most of it (daughter) which meant I gave up working for 5 years and never went back to work. We either need to pay for these carers but have them actually do the caring or accept this system is very expensive and not really working. This has got to be why councils are struggling so much with these huge bills.

4 Benefits - enough said on this. We all know how the bill has increased by spades. We can't afford it. Full stop. If your kitchen cupboard is empty you don't feed next doors kids for free to be nice do you.

5 NHS - we either make people pay an amount to use it which would help fund it and stop people being so wasteful or we scrap it and just have a funded insurance based system.

6 Goverment Debt - much like people who find themselves in a spiral of credit card debt our goverment is using a ton of it's money in interest payments and worst of all continuing to increase it's debt each month. Where does anyone think this is going to go. For anyone who has got their selves overextended you will realise this is a bad place to be.

Okay so I have digressed but how sensible to just say stop, close the gates. Now start working on all the above issues. We either have council houses or we stop with the obligation to house people. We can't afford it etc

It's very hard to assess and start to fix problems when it's a moving target ie numbers coming in keep going up. We have to 'stop the rot' and then start to repair/replace as necessary not patch things up while the roof is still leaking and bills to the trades are going up and up.

You can fix the problem with people coming in.

Fed of people wanting better public services but are against changing the tax system. There are massive problems with how we collect tax and who we tax. If some of these were resolved we could have much better public services.

Also people banging on about the environmental impact of immigration but they won't support green policies!🙄

Making people pay upfront for the NHS is a batshit idea - do you want us to be like America.. where health becomes a business rather than what is needed at point of need!

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