11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

So you are saying that we (the UK) need to put in place terms which are equivalent to the Dublin agreement? Sounds sensible.

[I don't think you should refer to someone you don't know as sweetie though]

Posted above, by me and another poster.

Awaiting your ‘probably 3 million in 25 years even though it was over half that in two of those years alone’ link eagerly!

Oh, and STOP trying to discredit others when you yourself are peddling misinformation as if it’s true.

I’ve thought about this too!

We need even more. The population is about to sharply nosedive as pensioners die out and young people stop breeding. At that point we'll be crying out for a second Windrush but it'll be too lare.

I’ve just asked MS Copilot again. The first time I asked, it gave me a figure of 7.3 million. The second time I asked it has given me a range of between 6-7 million; higher than the figure of 2.5 million you have given in your post above. Copilot has used Migration Observatory and .GOV.UK as its information source. I checked out your link and couldn’t see where you got your figure of 2.5 million from?

You can have that opinion.

The population increase of 10,000,000+ since 2000 will be an underestimate as it does not count those here illegally.

The British people did not vote for this. It has been imposed on them.

2.5m net migration since 2000?

It’s higher than that

You need to be skeptical of the research around immigration as there are funding streams which work their way back to people who are giving billions towards activism to encourage immigration and there is sometimes a link to what appears to be independent "research" groups. This in itself is a worry - when immigration is being so badly thought out, why are there people donating billions to add problems, before we have digested current problems? The fact that around 70 percent agree with your AIBU here and 30 percent don't and the sort of comments you are getting are also relevant when working out what the problem is.

What we need is a proper transparent objective analysis from the government, and transparency over who is donating to pro immigration and why. It just feels like there is something a bit worrying about the lack of cogency and lack of transparency.

I agree with you, this is nothing to do with being anti immigration. I am an immigrant in the EU - working, paying taxes. It is to do with lack of cogency.

I said the figure of 2.5m was up to 2023.

I will find a link for up to 2025, probably 3 million +.

Where is your link for the 11 million figure?

It doesn’t give a figure for net migration in the last 25 years.

Would you like to directly quote the part that says net migration is only 2.5 million since 2000? 😂

How could this possibly be true if net migration for 2022 and 2023 ALONE was over 800,000?

And you think that would improve things for the next generations? How so?

This is not true.

What do you think it shows?

This literally does not show this!

Sweetie, here is the difference:

the Dublin agreement is between EU countries. It means that they can be returned to the previous EU country they came from. Small boats came to the uk from France, so they could automatically be returned to France. No questions asked.

spain and Greece border Africa, people arrive there directly from an non-eu country, so it is a preferred route because there no other EU country to return them to. The uk is no longer part of the eu so we can’t return them back to France where they came from.

if you look at the graph for the uk, small boats started rising straight after Brexit be After Brexit made it harder for us to send them back to France.

do you understand the implications of Brexit better now?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/latest?utm_source=chatgpt.com

My statistic is for up to 2023. But even if you add in the last two years, it’s nowhere near 11 million

Hmmm I think you completely missed the point I was making. Shitshow = current state of public services. Which is primarily due to huge budget cuts by our last government, and not due to the population increase (which happens everywhere and is inevitable).

Edited to add: any normal government would increase funding due to projected population growth (no matter by which means). But the tories done the exact opposite.

That is because indigenous population is now a minority group in most of London and have been displaced by immigrants.

Theyre not ‘coming down’.

They were abnormally high in 2022 and 2023 (net migration c800k) and in 2024 the figures were half that (c430k).

But if you look at the trend on this graph it isn’t generally ‘coming down’. 2024’s 430k net migration was still miles higher than the figures pre-2022.

On the raw question, I would like total UK population to stabilise at about 20-35 million. And global humanity count to stabilise below 4 billion.

Won't happen in my or my children's lifetime even if every single immigrant is stopped from entering UK forever more. "Limiting immigration" isn't a solution.

If you do want to limit immigration anyway, doing things to improve quality of life where people are leaving from would be the optimal strategy. Make Afghanistan, Albania, Syria wherever a much nicer place to live. This used to be an objective of foreign aid. Fix the problems there so the people there now don't come here and bring their problems with them.

Then it became fashionable not to bother to send foreign aid and budgets were sharply cut. As a result, more people will leave those difficult places to try to live somewhere nicer, like the UK. This is what people in democratic countries voted for, they voted to increase immigration to high income countries. <shrug>

Do you have a link for the 2.5 million statistic please? If OP has to provide one then so do you.

Did you look at the data posted above?

Why don’t you believe it?

No wonder so many fools are gobbling up Reform's bile, when so many can't even begin to comprehend or analyse statistics.

This, x100, with alarm bells on.

I think there should be some basic IQ, comprehension & maths tests before people are allowed to vote