11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

Where’s your link @nomas ?

I’d love to see your evidence that we’ve only had 2.5 million net migration in 25 years…

Tokyo is a poor example as they are about to see a population collapse due to an lower birthrate than ours, very long-lived people and lack of strong immigration routes.

Your posts aren’t great tbf

London is officially a forest.

seriously, the s***e coming out of people’s mouth is astonishing. And these people get to vote?! It’s like giving a toddler a gun.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283287/net-migration-figures-of-the-united-kingdom-y-on-y/

Maybe this format is easier for people to digest.

You’ve posted a zero context graph.

Why can’t you link to it?

I agree. As a part of showing cogency and transparency about how things are being managed.

Going back to your comments about land in the UK and feeding the population - during the second world war Churchill managed to completely restructure food production so that we didn't starve during the Nazi blockades - we now have warmongers around the world calling for ww3, the government also analysing with transparency how we could do such a thing now would be jolly good idea.

No point spending all our money on building "bio defence labs" if we are all going to starve.

Tell me you voted for brexiteers without telling me you voted for Brexit. Good luck trying to get any country to agree with the uk a Dublin-style return agreement when we have nothing in return to offer. oh yes, we hold all tbe cards right? Hahahahahahaha.

You don’t need to add it up! Do you know how to read a graph? Just look at it and you will see that 11m is roughly accurate.

Oh, and the link to the population figures was posted up thread.

Still waiting for your link :)

You’d like the population to keep increasing? So in a few decades where would it be roughly?

This isn’t correct, firstly the returns were minuscule and we took more than returned.

Secondly countries still in the EU can’t return people ‘no questions asked’ between each other. If they could the first point of entry would have all the returns from Germany, ROI etc

Actually Johnson made an increase in immigration an inevitable consequence of his policies for global Britain post Brexit. He didn’t hide it. So you could say people did vote for it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/politics-explained/immigration-boris-johnson-conservative-migration-b2655572.html

https://unherd.com/newsroom/boris-johnson-is-still-rewriting-his-immigration-record/

No, it’s probably more. The official figures don’t include illegal immigrants. They don’t include the hundreds of thousands of people who overstay their students visas, or come here as students and then disappear without even completing the course.

well by that point there would ideally be solid immigration routes so even more young people can come over and help the ecomony

You posted a random table without a link, not a link showing 11m.

You didn’t even bother to add it up.

And what happens when all these new people get older and become pensioners? Bring in even more?

Yes, the language around the data is also v biased. Eg ‘long-term immigration is falling’ which it clearly isn’t.

And long-term immigration doesn’t mean what you think it does, either.

Farage and his Brexit Party claimed that all of the UK's problems were caused by the evil, unelected EU - and that as soon as the UK left everything would be wonderful. Turned out he was talking utter shite and not only has leaving the EU cost the country and estimated £100bn a year (that's one hundred thousand million pounds a year) but it also took the UK out of the Dublin Agreement; the Agreement that enabled the UK to return asylum seekers to other countries.

Now Farage has had to find another group to scapegoat, so his focus has turned towards "immigrants" who are now all suddenly to blame for the UK's ills. Note, he doesn't mean all immigrants as he quite likes some immigrants - such as the first Mrs Farage, or the second Mrs Farage, or his latest squeeze (the French waitress who owns the £800k house in Clacton that he falsely claimed to have purchased).

If he somehow does manage to fool 30% of the electorate and end up being elected, he'll very quickly need to find another group to blame as the UK economy tanks, so he'll turn his attention to the people he will define as the "scroungers" who will see their benefits cut, their economic safety net removed and the public services on which they depend either de-funded and trashed or sold off to the highest bidders.

All of which is a smokescreen - a distraction from the mismanagement that all of the major parties have been guilty of over the last 50 years. Lack of investment in public services; vital utilities and infrastructure sold off to foreign investors who have milked the customers while failing to invest; a myopic belief that the free market will provide (it won't - it only provides what is most profitable, not what is most necessary).

It is also hard to believe when you live in the countryside - live in a village, currently surrounded by countryside - in our 'local plan' is the proposal to build 300 new houses on fields... The exact same thing is happening in pretty much every village in our county.

And then as those people age?