11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

Well yes - 42% of our welfare spend is on pensions. Next is disibility which is 11%. So yes, it is 'by far'.

Without the smaller ones mentioned in the op does that put England at the top?

OP won’t reply properly to posts that don’t fit their narrative - including ones where they have been incorrect. I kindly took the time to explain that more births than deaths would lead to a population increase, but I guess that didn’t fit with OP’s narrative either.

You don’t need to add it up! Do you know how to read a graph? Just look at it and you will see that 11m is roughly accurate.

Oh, and the link to the population figures was posted up thread.

Still waiting for your link :)

Without the smaller ones mentioned in the op does that put England at the top?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283287/net-migration-figures-of-the-united-kingdom-y-on-y/

Maybe this format is easier for people to digest.

England is more densely populated than Belgium and the Netherlands. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are much less densely populated which makes the UK population density lower. England has also seen the biggest population increase in both absolute numbers and as a percentage.

I'm concerned about the rate of increase, lack of infrastructure and failure to develop infrastructure at the rate required as well as preservation of farmland and the effects of AI on job availability.

Acres of green fields are not sitting empty just waiting for us to get over an aversion to building houses. The cows that provide the milk for your morning coffee graze on that land.

Some people choose city living because it suits the stage of life they are at or they love the amenities available to them and some of us choose to live in the arse end of nowhere because we are happy to sacrifice convenience for peace and quiet. I like to be able to walk my dog in the countryside without getting in the car so I'd rather we didn't just keep developing without having a plan for how we will feed everyone and keep them employed.

I'm far less concerned about where people are coming from than about sustaining the rate of population growth. Controlling immigration is one of the few, if not the only, way of controlling the rate of population growth. If you find a way to renegotiate our borders with the sea, let me know.

It’s not ‘by far’. The rest of the welfare state is now roughly equal to pensions when put together.

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

It is a huge issue though. The state pension is by far the benefit that costs the taxpayer the most money. If you have double the number of pensioners to working people paying in, then taxes are going to have to skyrocket to accomodate. Either that or the state pension is dropped entirely or raised to such a high number that most will never recieve it. Not to mention the enormous burden of an aging population on the NHS without young people to fill the positions as doctors and nurses. Care homes currently staffed mostly by immigrants will be on their knees. I don't think we can even fathom just how bad things can get - it's not that the population is larger, it's that the majority will be old, not paying taxes and draining public services.

AI Overview

The UK population has increased by approximately 11.1 million people since September 2000, from an estimated 58.9 million to 70 million by September 2025. This significant growth of nearly 19% over the last 25 years is driven primarily by net international migration, particularly following the 2004 EU expansion.

I think that's why the government have proposed stopping people bringing family members. Some brought grandparents, parents etc and many don't contribute adding to problems with care, NHS etc. Come to work, but really do we need all the family too, unless people agree to pay for them. That seems reasonable.

If I was in charge I would have a 3 point plan.

1. Aiming for net migration in the tens of thousands - zero is unrealistic at present but only accepting migration for the purposes of critical jobs that cannot be filled locally.
2. Dramatic curbing of the welfare state to force people back to work.
3. Only approving building projects of flats - proper large 3/4 bedroom flats with large balconies and adequate storage, with strict regulation over size and sustainability. I have been searching for a flat like this for years - they don’t exist in the UK, only mainland Europe.

Everyone’s acting like the worst thing that could happen is not having a big enough population to fulfil our overspending, when actually there are a million scenarios far worse than this. We have a duty to put this right for future generations, not hand them a Ponzi scheme which has ruined the country.

If I was in charge I would have a 3 point plan.

1. Aiming for net migration in the tens of thousands - zero is unrealistic at present but only accepting migration for the purposes of critical jobs that cannot be filled locally.
2. Dramatic curbing of the welfare state to force people back to work.
3. Only approving building projects of flats - proper large 3/4 bedroom flats with large balconies and adequate storage, with strict regulation over size and sustainability. I have been searching for a flat like this for years - they don’t exist in the UK, only mainland Europe.

And what's your source? 11 million can't be right

There’s no easy answer to that. Maybe more education about the reality of what’s awaiting them here. People coming in who have no skills or no command of the English language are going to end up potentially jobless or exploited or living on the streets. I recall watching something some time ago where some immigrants were being interviewed who weren’t aware of the reality, having been sold the dream, and that they wouldn’t have come here had they known.

ranked 8th for population density in Europe does not automatically translate to overpopulation

Tell me you voted for brexiteers without telling me you voted for Brexit. Good luck trying to get any country to agree with the uk a Dublin-style return agreement when we have nothing in return to offer. oh yes, we hold all tbe cards right? Hahahahahahaha.