11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

This is probably too much information. but we have just given our only child £300k to buy a home, when they are ready to commit to an area. One of us has to live for seven years.

No. The welfare bill has risen significantly in the last couple of years. The government have tried to address it since they got in but have had resistrnce from their back benches. So clearly starmer has concerns already.

It's silly to say hatred will be targeted towards someone else once immigration is sorted. If that was the case don't you think people would have turned against benefit claimants before immigration even became a problem? Having said that I happen to think that there should be a review of the benefits system

do you even realise how deeply ironic this response is @Livelovebehappy

Don’t be so utterly ridiculous.

I said people have ‘reasons’ even if they make no sense or are heinous.

This notion of arbitrary ‘hate’ that springs from nowhere is a construct used to shut down addressing those ‘reasons’.

I think it’s more than money. More people are single for longer which also does not help.

Don’t be so utterly ridiculous.

I said people have ‘reasons’ even if they make no sense or are heinous.

This notion of arbitrary ‘hate’ that springs from nowhere is a construct used to shut down addressing those ‘reasons’.

I completely agree. But if you want to encourage women to have more children, that's going to cost money. A lot of it.

I find the accusations of ‘hatred’ to be such a thought terminating cliche.

I don’t believe in arbitrary ‘hatred’. Most of what people call hatred is frustration, resentment or displeasure which has reached boiling point. Even Osama bin Laden didn’t do what he did though arbitrary hatred, he did it because of what he perceived to be intolerable interference from the West in the Middle East.

Accusing people of simple hatred is just so utterly childish, and always makes me think they just need some handy simple mud to throw as they can’t debate the wider issue properly.

I find the accusations of ‘hatred’ to be such a thought terminating cliche.

I don’t believe in arbitrary ‘hatred’. Most of what people call hatred is frustration, resentment or displeasure which has reached boiling point. Even Osama bin Laden didn’t do what he did though arbitrary hatred, he did it because of what he perceived to be intolerable interference from the West in the Middle East.

Accusing people of simple hatred is just so utterly childish, and always makes me think they just need some handy simple mud to throw as they can’t debate the wider issue properly.

The level of sheer ignorance in this thread is quite something. I hate 2025.

It's silly to say hatred will be targeted towards someone else once immigration is sorted. If that was the case don't you think people would have turned against benefit claimants before immigration even became a problem? Having said that I happen to think that there should be a review of the benefits system. Labour can only squeeze so much out of top earners and tax paid. Then they will have tackle the subject of the benefits/disabilty bill which is getting out of control. Of course the recipients will fight tooth and nail to keep their money because the alternative is not receiving it or reducing it. But it needs to be done.

But who can you turn your hatred towards if all the immigrants leave? What will Farage do? I know it’s always single mums, sick people on benefits I suppose. Farage builds his politics on hatred and division.

Can you fix the problem if you don't know the size of the problem (ie people arriving daily). Much more difficult to hit a moving target I would say.

If you live in a 2 bed house with 6 kids and you are struggling for space and to feed/clothe them do you say lets adopt another bunch of kids while we try to sort out the issue of not enough space and not enough money for food/clothes?
Or do you stick to what you have and try and figure it out.

One seems utterly bonkers and one seems just so logical I can't imagine anyone considering the adoption option. Yet isn't that what we (the UK) are doing.

Whether we like it or not we have become a very entitled country. Benefits used to be literally for those on the breadline. Now they are a lifestyle choice for many and people are outraged at the idea of paying for their own children and supporting themselves.

The NHS was a lovely idea and built on good principles of a healthy population is a productive population. However we can't afford it (debt increasing each month) and there is lots of wastage due to people not turning up for appointments etc

At the moment the goverment borrows more each month just to pay the bills.
It should be trying to lower the debt each month not borrowing more.
The higher the debt, the higher the interest we pay each month and the less we have for important public services.

I would rather have a health service with quick appointments and very little waiting time and have to pay something towards it. At the moment it is nigh on impossible to get a GP appointment but you can get a private GP appointment the next day. I bet more people would take care of their health and weight if they had to pay for the consequences of it.

Sadly the idea of just taxing people more isn't going to work. The country can only get out of this by growth which seems to be impossible.

Most of our 'growth' seems to be house price values increasing which is not real.

From reading mumsnet it's pretty clear that everyone is looking out for themselves (which is entirely normal of course)

So if you get lots of benefits - you don't want benefits to be cut by the goverment

If you get no benefits and are working and paying tax then you are sick of paying for everyone and want benefits slashed.

If you have come across to the UK in the last 20-30 years you probably support continued immigration.

If you haven't you are probably against it.

If you are at the doctors, hospitals alot and think nothing of missing appointments then you probably want the NHS kept at all cost.

If you look after your health and use the doctors rarely then you probably support paying for what you use.

Whilst most of the country was working nobody minded supporting the genuine man who has lost his job or taken ill health or the pensioner who had worked all their life. Now we have people with no intention of working, aren't actually sick and we have too many pensioners v working people. This isn't the fault of the pensioners. Old, infirm people can't work. Young work avoiders can work. Very different.

There is a reason they have made the budget late this year. They are flapping around trying to figure out how to solve a problem without upsetting anyone which is impossible so they may as well rip the band aid off and get on with it.

I completely agree. But if you want to encourage women to have more children, that's going to cost money. A lot of it.

I think that ship has sailed unless people want to go the route of stripping Britons of their citizenship (some born and bred here) and commence mass deportations.

But there are definitely things that can be done going forward. I do think using immigration as a fill in for low birth rates is a Ponzi scheme.

Asked & answered upthread including numerical breakdown and sources

Yes I didn’t mean to quote you there sorry!