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“We need to stop importing people who hate us”

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OneAmusedShark · 03/10/2025 21:13

Overheard an older couple of Caribbean couple talking about the Manchester attack on the train earlier and one of
them used this phrase.

Someone else (who was getting off at the time) shouted at them “You can’t say that! It’s hate speech!”

I didn’t get involved.

Was it hate speech?

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skippy67 · 04/10/2025 08:09

OneAmusedShark · 03/10/2025 21:13

Overheard an older couple of Caribbean couple talking about the Manchester attack on the train earlier and one of
them used this phrase.

Someone else (who was getting off at the time) shouted at them “You can’t say that! It’s hate speech!”

I didn’t get involved.

Was it hate speech?

Caribbean couple? Do you mean black? They might have been born here, which would make them British...

VashtaNerada · 04/10/2025 08:07

Didn’t he move here as a baby? I’m not entirely sure what progress could have vetted him at that point!! I think it’s important to put money and time into community projects so we know everyone in our community and know who these hateful people are (regardless of ethnicity). Years ago we had Sure Start, neighbourhood policing teams, well-funded local charities working with a range of different groups. All those things are so important in terms of community cohesion but also building a picture of what’s going on out there. I don’t think the issue is migration. Plenty of killers were born and bred here.

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 08:07

And then the whole waiting room applauded!

Cool story bro

FrauPaige · 04/10/2025 08:05

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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I think that you are naive to think that the current tensions in this country relate to Muslims in isolation. Most south east Asian Britons are feeling the ramifications no matter which religion they subscribe to as white Britons can't typically distinguish between a person or Bangladeshi or Pakistani or Indian descent, let alone which region they are descendant, or which religion they follow.

When you are affluent and nobody flies flags in your area, this may all be a thought experiment for you, I suppose.

So, indulge me.

You have raised misogyny. You wrote:
"Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country"

Do you recognise that gender imbalance extends across south east Asia as a region?

Are you in turn suggesting an impass on immigration from south east Asia?

Lex345 · 04/10/2025 08:05

nowinetimeforme · 04/10/2025 07:44

Great idea! How do you tell which ones hate us? This particular person came as a young g child so do we think he ‘hated us’ already when he arrived?

This.

I accept that some adults are migrating to the UK who are intrinsically anti UK. There will always be people in the world with hatred and a desire to disrupt, harm, murder.
And thus it ever was.

What I think should be focused on is how young people are becoming radicalised (I am not just talking about extreme Islamist radicalisation either here) because it is tearing the fabric of our society apart. We need to focus on pulling all sides closer and have those difficult conversations about differences.

I feel like marking topics as taboo or too difficult to navigate for fear of causing offence are isolating people in minorities and making them ripe for the plucking for those who seek to radicalise people and spread hate from afar.

I don't think the Prevent programme has been helpful in preventing anything. Its been too reactive and really needed to stop the radicalisation happening not knee jerking after the fact.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 04/10/2025 08:02

It's not racist. We're letting people in with completely different cultural values with no link or loyalty to the UK

Dorisbonson · 04/10/2025 08:02

ShesTheAlbatross · 03/10/2025 21:21

I don’t think it’s hate speech.

I think it’s fucking stupid though.
Firstly, we don’t import people. They aren’t goods.
Secondly, how could you possibly police that. Unless what you really mean is “we should stop letting Muslims in”. In which case, piss off.

You can see the world in black and white and seek to be offended or you can recognise there is nuance to what people say and me.

When you do so you make it difficult for others to have a reasonable and proportionate discussion on issues like immigration.

VillaDiodati · 04/10/2025 08:00

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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This absolutely one hundred percent.

HedwigEliza · 04/10/2025 07:59

May9 · 04/10/2025 07:54

I'm more bothered about what people do than what they think. We can't police the thoughts in people's heads.

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Until it comes time to vote in local or general elections, then thought becomes a reality.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 07:54

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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Good post

May9 · 04/10/2025 07:54

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 07:51

OK but they still support that violence, agree with the oppression of women and don't have tolerant values

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I'm more bothered about what people do than what they think. We can't police the thoughts in people's heads.

HedwigEliza · 04/10/2025 07:53

It’s not hate speech, it’s the truth.

He came here from Syria, got given a new life, a council house, an education and this is the thanks we get in return.

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 07:51

TheCurious0range · 04/10/2025 07:46

But they don't tend to enact them violently

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OK but they still support that violence, agree with the oppression of women and don't have tolerant values

BlueandPinkSwan · 04/10/2025 07:51

OneAmusedShark · 03/10/2025 21:13

Overheard an older couple of Caribbean couple talking about the Manchester attack on the train earlier and one of
them used this phrase.

Someone else (who was getting off at the time) shouted at them “You can’t say that! It’s hate speech!”

I didn’t get involved.

Was it hate speech?

Totally agree and the shouter needs to fuck right off.

DeafLeppard · 04/10/2025 07:48

I agree with the sentiment expressed - it’s entirely reasonable to expect people coming here to sign up to common values and behave accordingly.

I also think that if you’ve been here 5+ years, it’s not unreasonable to expect to commit to citizenship.

TheCurious0range · 04/10/2025 07:46

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 07:12

It's not just men, lots of women also have these cultural attitudes

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But they don't tend to enact them violently

Blusteryskies · 04/10/2025 07:45

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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I think this is very well said, and I agree with a lot of what you say. However let's not pretend that it's only men from ethnic minorities who abuse and subjugate women. White men abuse, batter and rape women and children too. It's often framed as though rape and domestic violence weren't an issue until people of colour arrived. A man could legally rape his wife in this country until the 90s.

Violence and the subjugation of women isn't acceptable in this country, but it is certainly wide spread and hidden. We criticise other countries, but at this point rape is pretty much legalised in this country with less than 5% of rapists being prosecuted.

Case in point - the awfully cringey interview with the Falkirk councillor who knew all about a rape in her town committed by an asylum seeker, but nothing about the two rapes committed by white Scottish men during the same time period in her town. Violence against women and girls is a global issue, and men of all colours and creeds are guilty of perpetuating it.

TheCurious0range · 04/10/2025 07:44

KTheGrey · 03/10/2025 22:03

America deals with this quite simply - you swear allegiance to the flag. I guess for the UK it’s King and country. But in both cases what it really signifies is not attacking your neighbours in the same country, whatever their background.

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That doesn't work though for the US though does it, or there would be no ideological based attacks/incidents.

nowinetimeforme · 04/10/2025 07:44

Great idea! How do you tell which ones hate us? This particular person came as a young g child so do we think he ‘hated us’ already when he arrived?

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 04/10/2025 07:39

SquirrelDreams · 03/10/2025 23:50

And the fact that they are Caribbean is relevant how? Is it your insurance against being called racist?

So how are you going to decide who hates you and who doesn't? Unless someone is traceable vocal about it and has left a trail of hate filled writings somewhere how would you know?

I'm thinking this didn't happen but it's a way of saying..why are we importing people that hate us.
We import,goods,raw materials, livestock etc but we don't import people.

defrazzled · 04/10/2025 07:35

@Crowde 👏

FrauPaige · 04/10/2025 07:33

KTheGrey · 03/10/2025 22:03

America deals with this quite simply - you swear allegiance to the flag. I guess for the UK it’s King and country. But in both cases what it really signifies is not attacking your neighbours in the same country, whatever their background.

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In the naturalization process - the process necessary to become a British citizen - you take the Oath of Allegiance to the Monarch, and the Pledge or Loyalty to the UK, it's freedoms, rights and values.

I wouldn't reference the USA as a model for immigration or mass violence incidents however

Snorlaxo · 04/10/2025 07:31

They expressed themselves perfectly. They didn’t put a label on his group like their skin colour or religion because they clearly understand that hateful criminal types come in all sorts of background.

RingoJuice · 04/10/2025 07:31

Is it hate speech if it’s true?

1457bloom · 04/10/2025 07:31

People should be allowed to say what they want it’s called freedom of speech.