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OneAmusedShark · 2025-10-03T20:13:57+00:00

Overheard an older couple of Caribbean couple talking about the Manchester attack on the train earlier and one of them used this phrase. Someone else (who was getting off at the time) shouted at them “You can’t say that! It’s hate speech!” I didn’t get involved. Was it hate speech?

CaptainMyCaptain · 04/10/2025 08:46

Agrumpyknitter · 03/10/2025 21:25

So how do you know which of the brown people have been ‘imported and hate the country’ or do you not care?

Unfortunately there are extremists and people full of hatred that target the innocent. From all backgrounds.

I am of an age where I remember the IRA attacks in the U.K.

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I agree. I was living in London and Bristol during the IRA attacks but it didn't make me hate all Irish people.

It's not racist to discuss immigration but it is racist to say 'they all hate this country' or 'they are all paedophiles' because people with a particular ethnicity are not all the same. The people you overheard might have forgotten (or weren't yet born) that in the 70s there were some people who said that all West Indian males were muggers and pimps. It's stereotyping at the very least, probably not hate speech unless they are advocating violence towards them.

Aesopsnonfables · 04/10/2025 08:45

DancingNotDrowning · 04/10/2025 08:39

People aren’t pretending that there’s not a problem with home grown rape and abuse.

we know absolutely there is, but unfortunately there is no option to exile those British born rapists and child abusers that live amongst us.

That doesn’t mean we should ignore those people about whom we can do something.

men who have raped, abused or committed violence before coming to the UK should not be permitted to stay. Those who do it whilst they are here on visas should be deported.

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Yes there is but it's overrepresented (more likely) to be in cultures routed in deep mysoginy, subjugation and control by males. Why have something that's even more evil.

Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2025 08:44

Of course it’s true. I’m glad that people are more open with how it really is now. ‘Importing’ pretty much describes the situation well…

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 08:43

YelloDaisy · 04/10/2025 08:30

Gerald Kaus on the Rest is Politics podcast explains how to stop the boats.

What’s his main take on it?

Dollymylove · 04/10/2025 08:43

Its not hate speech to not.want 1000s of undocumented young men being put up in hotels, free food, medical and dental care, whose rights appear to trump those of the people who are having to bankroll this shit show

Aesopsnonfables · 04/10/2025 08:40

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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Well said. These are the typical reasons why those "left-wing" "liberal" middle classes that support it do so:

they are racist bigots that rarely mix with people of other races and cultures and through non mixing and isolating themselves from others to themselves they have almost no deep knowledge of many cultures based on and how people live and think - while ironically calling those who have better knowledge of them or live among them racist.
they are evil, controlling people that do want detriment to others
they are stupid and naive, with little to no critical thinking.
mix of the above

DancingNotDrowning · 04/10/2025 08:39

Blusteryskies · 04/10/2025 07:45

I think this is very well said, and I agree with a lot of what you say. However let's not pretend that it's only men from ethnic minorities who abuse and subjugate women. White men abuse, batter and rape women and children too. It's often framed as though rape and domestic violence weren't an issue until people of colour arrived. A man could legally rape his wife in this country until the 90s.

Violence and the subjugation of women isn't acceptable in this country, but it is certainly wide spread and hidden. We criticise other countries, but at this point rape is pretty much legalised in this country with less than 5% of rapists being prosecuted.

Case in point - the awfully cringey interview with the Falkirk councillor who knew all about a rape in her town committed by an asylum seeker, but nothing about the two rapes committed by white Scottish men during the same time period in her town. Violence against women and girls is a global issue, and men of all colours and creeds are guilty of perpetuating it.

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People aren’t pretending that there’s not a problem with home grown rape and abuse.

we know absolutely there is, but unfortunately there is no option to exile those British born rapists and child abusers that live amongst us.

That doesn’t mean we should ignore those people about whom we can do something.

men who have raped, abused or committed violence before coming to the UK should not be permitted to stay. Those who do it whilst they are here on visas should be deported.

YelloDaisy · 04/10/2025 08:32

Did he forget that after the flag flying demos

BeardofHagrid · 04/10/2025 08:31

“We’ve had free speech in this country for a very, very long time.”

-Keir Starmer

YelloDaisy · 04/10/2025 08:30

Gerald Kaus on the Rest is Politics podcast explains how to stop the boats.

CancelTheTableAlan · 04/10/2025 08:29

The potential "hatey" bit, I guess, is saying that the "people who hate us" only come from a group of "imported" people. I think sadly the people who hate others have been here among us for a long time. Muslims don't want to bring down the West, white men arent rapists, Jewish people arent genocidal anti-Palestinians, lonely disaffected young men aren't all incel murderers, etc etc. Yes there are people who are those awful things and also fall into those demographic groups. But they are horrible people anyway.

The way to stop all those horrible things isn't to just stop immigration. The ways to stop those terrible things, including hatred between groups, are complex, multi faceted, need lots of different economic, social, environmental, psychological solutions across the world.

I wouldn't call it hate speech but I think it's reductive.

bumbaloo · 04/10/2025 08:28

QuickMember · 03/10/2025 21:23

It’s true what they said. So they were Caribbean? I’m guessing like me they’re fed up of how foreigners are perceived thanks to those who do in fact hate this country and are very open and proud about it.

So how do you process who ‘hates us’ and who doesn’t?

Unless you are some sort of bigoted xenophobe who thinks ALL Muslims hate us and that we shouldn’t allow any in

but no, I doubt you are that sort of ignorant hate filled dogmatic partisan

Ddakji · 04/10/2025 08:26

nowinetimeforme · 04/10/2025 07:44

Great idea! How do you tell which ones hate us? This particular person came as a young g child so do we think he ‘hated us’ already when he arrived?

I understand that his father celebrated the October 7 attack. Which is suggestive, I would say.

NotThisBollocksAgain · 04/10/2025 08:23

Blusteryskies · 04/10/2025 07:45

I think this is very well said, and I agree with a lot of what you say. However let's not pretend that it's only men from ethnic minorities who abuse and subjugate women. White men abuse, batter and rape women and children too. It's often framed as though rape and domestic violence weren't an issue until people of colour arrived. A man could legally rape his wife in this country until the 90s.

Violence and the subjugation of women isn't acceptable in this country, but it is certainly wide spread and hidden. We criticise other countries, but at this point rape is pretty much legalised in this country with less than 5% of rapists being prosecuted.

Case in point - the awfully cringey interview with the Falkirk councillor who knew all about a rape in her town committed by an asylum seeker, but nothing about the two rapes committed by white Scottish men during the same time period in her town. Violence against women and girls is a global issue, and men of all colours and creeds are guilty of perpetuating it.

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I agree wholeheartedly with this however, British values find the rape and subjugation of women abhorrent.
Most men do not intend to rape their wives or treat their daughter's as second class citizens, on the whole life in the UK is is infinitely more secure as a woman than it is in many other countries.
We should be doing more about the minority of abusive men in this country but that is for another thread.
What we shouldn't be doing is allowing the dilution of our values with whole communities of young men that believe all women are beneath them and they are property to be used as they see fit.

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:23

I mean, my very alternative take on the matter is that we shouldn’t have any net immigration at all on the account of our country being densely populated to the point we are 8th in the EU only preceded by the Netherlands, Belgium and then a handful of places like the Channel Islands, Gibraltar and Vatican City.

I don’t know why the debate about immigration is always made about race. To me the far more pressing issue is that of pollution, destruction of greenfield land, loss of wildlife habitats, constant ‘house building’ elevating our floor risk, a creaking infrastructure and a critical and ongoing housing crisis.

We are playing with fire in the craziest way by allowing our population to rise by nearly a million a year, with everyone bleating about us ‘needing immigrants’ while a million young people sit on the dole and do nothing. Not only does immigration see welfare go up and up, it’s basically a big Ponzi scheme whereby the immigrants themselves grow old and need care and then we need to import yet more immigrants to ‘fill the gap’. It’s absolutely crazy and I won’t judge future generations for wondering how we could’ve been so short sighted and blase about a looming crisis in order to appear to support ‘multiculturalism and diversity’.

We have added an additional 15 million migrants to the UK since the Millennium. If that still doesn’t meet our needs as a nation, then how many will? We’re going to end up a polluted, miserable city state.

Wadadli · 04/10/2025 08:23

saveforthat · 03/10/2025 21:28

I remember the IRA. Did anyone mention skin colour ?

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One would assume the Caribbean couple were black, so yes, “colour” was mentioned

soupyspoon · 04/10/2025 08:21

I dont know how to vote as Im not sure what your question is

They were absolutely right of course and of course its not hate speech.

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 08:21

May9 · 04/10/2025 07:54

I'm more bothered about what people do than what they think. We can't police the thoughts in people's heads.

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They have intolerant beliefs and behaviours, support those behaviours and instil children with them. Personally inflicting violence is not the only way to have a negative impact.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 08:21

VashtaNerada · 04/10/2025 08:07

Didn’t he move here as a baby? I’m not entirely sure what progress could have vetted him at that point!! I think it’s important to put money and time into community projects so we know everyone in our community and know who these hateful people are (regardless of ethnicity). Years ago we had Sure Start, neighbourhood policing teams, well-funded local charities working with a range of different groups. All those things are so important in terms of community cohesion but also building a picture of what’s going on out there. I don’t think the issue is migration. Plenty of killers were born and bred here.

I think you’re underestimating the ideology, in this case the father of the most recent terrorist who made comments after October 7th on Hamas.

HeyThereDelila · 04/10/2025 08:20

The couple were correct. It’s not hate speech.

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 08:19

OneAmberFinch · 04/10/2025 08:15

"Second generation immigrant ends up becoming incredibly radicalised" is a common story and is an argument that the effects of immigration are long-lasting and we need to be incredibly cautious.

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Yeah you're right I'd say the main cause of radicalisation is a cunty old grifter we really need to watch out for him.

And even if you're annoyed by that you know exactly who I mean 😉

OneAmberFinch · 04/10/2025 08:15

VashtaNerada · 04/10/2025 08:07

Didn’t he move here as a baby? I’m not entirely sure what progress could have vetted him at that point!! I think it’s important to put money and time into community projects so we know everyone in our community and know who these hateful people are (regardless of ethnicity). Years ago we had Sure Start, neighbourhood policing teams, well-funded local charities working with a range of different groups. All those things are so important in terms of community cohesion but also building a picture of what’s going on out there. I don’t think the issue is migration. Plenty of killers were born and bred here.

"Second generation immigrant ends up becoming incredibly radicalised" is a common story and is an argument that the effects of immigration are long-lasting and we need to be incredibly cautious.

skippy67 · 04/10/2025 08:12

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 08:11

Hey it's her make believe story she's free to decide the ethnicity of the characters!

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Oh I know🤣🤣.

BallerinaRadio · 04/10/2025 08:11

skippy67 · 04/10/2025 08:09

Caribbean couple? Do you mean black? They might have been born here, which would make them British...

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Hey it's her make believe story she's free to decide the ethnicity of the characters!

Malvasylvestris · 04/10/2025 08:10

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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As a trained scientist I love the phrase 'without data it's just an opinion' so I looked for some trustworthy data. Anyone can do it. Obviously this does not account for illegal underage marriage of which there is plenty in many countries. Sadly it's often a result of desperate economic circumstances caused by our unequal world.

“We need to stop importing people who hate us”