“We need to stop importing people who hate us”

I am a (brown) immigrant to the UK, albeit from another western country. For me, gaining British citizenship was an honour and I feel immense gratitude for the opportunities I have had here. Perhaps as a result of this, I feel absolute rage with immigrants who don't adopt what I feel are core British values about tolerance and equality (I know not all British people are like that, but that is another matter). If you want to blow up a synagogue or a mosque, marry a child, carry out an honour killing, etc. then you can fuck off. And frankly I feel the same about generations of families living here where only the school aged members speak English.

Nice leftist hyperbole there full of crass insults and ignorance. Good old lefties. Full of intelligence and reasonable debate from different viewpoints, including the poor and lower working classes 👏.your vehement support works only for certain groups because you're virtue signalling

Some people are exceptionally rude, stupid, racist, xenophobic, dumb and ignorant. It doesn’t matter where they are from, it can be in them.

I am a (brown) immigrant to the UK, albeit from another western country. For me, gaining British citizenship was an honour and I feel immense gratitude for the opportunities I have had here. Perhaps as a result of this, I feel absolute rage with immigrants who don't adopt what I feel are core British values about tolerance and equality (I know not all British people are like that, but that is another matter). If you want to blow up a synagogue or a mosque, marry a child, carry out an honour killing, etc. then you can fuck off. And frankly I feel the same about generations of families living here where only the school aged members speak English.

Why the fuck should I ‘swear allegiance’ to some old bloke who’s never done a days work in his life… lives a completely pampered life thanks to the tax payers… cheated on his wife, doesn’t speak to his son and has his very own loo seat flown around the world so he doesn’t have to put his arse where commoners might have been???
Is this classed as hate speech?

South East Asia refers to Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia etc.
South Asia is the Indian subcontinent, the region containing India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Nowhere did I mention Islam, nor did I single out any particular religion. Accusing me for targeting Muslims is a great way to obfuscate and derail the discussion though. My concern is about values and attitude people are raised with and whether those norms align with the standards we expect in the UK.

I personally wouldn’t want to see people immigrating en masse from the central strip of India which is a region that remains deeply patriarchal and where women are often treated appallingly. That isn’t an attack on Indians, it’s a recognition of the reality that some areas are still socially regressive and resistant to change.

My point is simple: it’s naive to think that people who have been socialised in environments where women are systematically devalued can just arrive here and immediately adopt liberal, egalitarian values. Cultural conditioning doesn’t dissolve at border control. And pretending otherwise is both dishonest and dangerous.

If someone, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or otherwise, holds backward, misogynistic views, they have no place coming to the UK.

America deals with this quite simply - you swear allegiance to the flag. I guess for the UK it’s King and country. But in both cases what it really signifies is not attacking your neighbours in the same country, whatever their background.

I think that you are naive to think that the current tensions in this country relate to Muslims in isolation. Most south east Asian Britons are feeling the ramifications no matter which religion they subscribe to as white Britons can't typically distinguish between a person or Bangladeshi or Pakistani or Indian descent, let alone which region they are descendant, or which religion they follow.

When you are affluent and nobody flies flags in your area, this may all be a thought experiment for you, I suppose.

So, indulge me.

You have raised misogyny. You wrote:
"Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country"

Do you recognise that gender imbalance extends across south east Asia as a region?

Are you in turn suggesting an impass on immigration from south east Asia?

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

People aren’t pretending that there’s not a problem with home grown rape and abuse.

we know absolutely there is, but unfortunately there is no option to exile those British born rapists and child abusers that live amongst us.

That doesn’t mean we should ignore those people about whom we can do something.

men who have raped, abused or committed violence before coming to the UK should not be permitted to stay. Those who do it whilst they are here on visas should be deported.

They are called luxury beliefs. You get the luxury of sounding politically correct/virtuous because you are insulated from the reality or you think you will never personally experience the downside. Same with women campaigning for male sex offenders in women's prisons - won't affect them, so they get the luxury of adopting the popular/convenient belief.

I think that you are naive to think that the current tensions in this country relate to Muslims in isolation. Most south east Asian Britons are feeling the ramifications no matter which religion they subscribe to as white Britons can't typically distinguish between a person or Bangladeshi or Pakistani or Indian descent, let alone which region they are descendant, or which religion they follow.

When you are affluent and nobody flies flags in your area, this may all be a thought experiment for you, I suppose.

So, indulge me.

You have raised misogyny. You wrote:
"Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country"

Do you recognise that gender imbalance extends across south east Asia as a region?

Are you in turn suggesting an impass on immigration from south east Asia?

Jackanory is all inclusive now it's moved on from the early days of Janet and John and the all White's family and friends.👍😁

Hey it's her make believe story she's free to decide the ethnicity of the characters!

Did he forget that after the flag flying demos

The potential "hatey" bit, I guess, is saying that the "people who hate us" only come from a group of "imported" people. I think sadly the people who hate others have been here among us for a long time. Muslims don't want to bring down the West, white men arent rapists, Jewish people arent genocidal anti-Palestinians, lonely disaffected young men aren't all incel murderers, etc etc. Yes there are people who are those awful things and also fall into those demographic groups. But they are horrible people anyway.

The way to stop all those horrible things isn't to just stop immigration. The ways to stop those terrible things, including hatred between groups, are complex, multi faceted, need lots of different economic, social, environmental, psychological solutions across the world.

I wouldn't call it hate speech but I think it's reductive.