To feel a bit bad for the met police on bbc panorama undercover

I don't think anybody in that program, or on that thread, is whipping up hatred against the majority of good caring police.

I agree entirely with you.

But just to point out, I work with many police officers who are equally appalled by the Panorama programme, because they know how important it is that the public can trust the police. If any police officers are making excuses, they're likely the ones that need weeding out.

Has ANYONE on this thread said that all the police are terrible or that the police should be defunded? Do you not think that the majority of police who are good people want to see the bad ones rooted out and the culture changed?

Why? Because you want them to throw their toys out the pram because some bad police have been caught out?
Do you feel the same with carers who abuse the elderly in care homes? What about those who abuse children in children's homes? Your logic is off. I guess you are a copper/know a copper.

The police should go on strike for a week and see how everyone gets on. I'm sure the defund the police lot would step up to do the job.

😐 you think saying elderly people are taking up hospital beds is equivalent to racism, misogyny and assault ?

Why does it have to be the job that makes these people so awful? Why are you so keen not to lay the blame squarely where it lies?

Is it not possible that this is just what these men in the film are like? After all there are many many police who are decent who do the same job. Going by your train of thought all police would be utterly disgusting human beings.

Maybe you don’t have a stressful job dealing with all the dregs of society - what do you do for a living?

My sympathies lie with the police, 99% of whom actually do take enormous risks every day (unlike this “ journalist”” with dubious methods). Yes punish this small number. But the hatred whipped up against the police is disgusting. It puts them in even greater danger. The way the BBC reported the person who had been hit by a bullet inside the synagogue ad “mistakenly shot by police” well no, they didn’t shoot him, they couldn’t even see him, he was hit by a bullet that police (who were stood by a terrorist with what looked like a bomb) killed not knowing if doing so would detonate a bomb and kill them.

i’m fed up of stupid or evil people slagging off the police, yes there are always going to be bad cops but the vast vast majority are good courageous people. Spreading hate about them makes their job even more difficult even more dangerous. As for the absolute cretinous appearing on the news saying to defund them - I have no words.

If you want to make a difference go volunteer as a special, own the increased risk you’re causing by your hate. You wouldn’t last a single shift.

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YABU. Those officers deserve what's coming to them. My sympathies are with the guy that went undercover to capture this evidence. He took a massive risk to achieve that.

as I said upthread, you could get me ratarsed and I would never say such things. In vino veritas and all that.

Tbh I think the whole thing should’ve been filmed while they were on duty, like the vile sergeant, to ply someone with booze after 5 pints he was a bit set up I think, not condoning the behaviour but I do think it should’ve been filmed while they were on duty, two of them were very coerced, having dealt with the similar sort of thing they edit to what they want the narrative to look like

they weren't private comments if they were said in a public place. its the "behaviour likely to bring the organisation into disrepute" thing. You are also ignoring the behaviour witnessed and discussed.

They were in the workplace. Not only that, they were saying these things in public, where anyone could have heard.

At best, they behaved unprofessionally, contrary to their contract of employment, created a toxic work environment and dismissed victims.🤨 At worst they've broken the law, committed assaults and covered up crimes.🤯

Did you even watch the documentary?

Isn’t that the issue?

They might well behave in a manner that upholds the service.
These were private observations that weren’t discussed with the general public or even voiced anonymously.

I listened to the leader of the Green Party on radio 4. He’s Jewish, his Deputy is Muslim. Just from the interview you knew both would have thoughts considered “anti” or “ racist” of each other in private. Yet both men seem to function perfectly well as representatives of the Green agenda.

There is a lot of irrelevance in your post. Why does the journalist's motive matter? Did his motive make them say what they said or behave how they behaved? I agree that its not the only place where you could hear such conversations but I doubt that people in newspaper offices are in a position to physically abuse people. Additionally saying such things can be heard elsewhere is no excuse. Should we excuse rapists because other rapists are getting away with it? Finally its a thing about holding people, in positions that we should be able to trust, to higher standards.

Oh, come on. There's all kinds of ways they can test someone more thoroughly than taking the applicant's word for it. Better social media listening, psychometric testing etc. The fact is that police vetting is nowhere near as good as it needs to be, and this is widely known within policing.

I kind of understand what you mean because yes their behaviour was abhorrent and they deserve whatever they get, but if it was a journalist who recorded their off-duty conversations then it makes me question the journalist’s motive - they say it’s because the public deserves transparency but surely it’s more to do with getting a scoop. I’d also bet that the same kind of misogynistic shit goes on in newspaper offices as well! I like that you are able to see the grey areas, I’m constantly surprised at how many people can’t, and sadly that is how politicians and the media are able to manipulate people so easily and reinforce the whole “us and them” divisive thing.

I am the mother of a teenage boy with autism and mental health challenges who has spent time in police custody more than once sadly .

I cannot BEGIN to tell you how much I do not feel sorry for those thugs who held that terrified kid down . Or the smart arse who boasted about getting his pressure points .

I AM DISGUSTED.

It doesn't make any difference that they were not at work
Police officers have a duty to behave in a manner which does not discredit the police service or undermine public confidence in the police service.
Clearly having racist views and voicing those opinions whether in the workplace or not is a clear breach of this.
And the reporter didn't lead him on. He mirrored what he said because he wanted him to open up but everything came from the police officer first

actually no they (and many other professionals) can't "say what they like in the pub" RTFT

we know from what was filmed that an impeccable work record is in the land of flying pigs.

Agree with what the last poster said. What I'd like to see is their actual work record. If it's impeccable then any dismissal is not fair or legal. Perhaps someone has these views but is able to carry out their duties without prejudice.

I think a few things are pretty clear: not all Met at that station are terrible individuals but they can't report colleagues because of rank etc. Also clear was that DPS (Professional standards, think AC12 if you watch Line of Duty) are well-known in the Met to be seeking out exactly this behaviour to get rid of the individuals concerned. And they are. It's a complex issue which requires a nuanced solution and more manpower than the budgets allow.

I suspect Panorama got no resistance because the program showed exacty what the issues are and the Met have already been completely open about this.