To feel a bit bad for the met police on bbc panorama undercover

Both the left and the right have always accused the BBC of being biased against them. However, if you look at actual studies, it favours the right eg www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/BBC-impartiality-and-the-problem-of-bias.pdf

Well, what most other people have said really.

This is a police force found to be institutionally racist, as well as with rapists and a murderer in their ranks. It’s fucking appalling and anyone in the police who holds and expresses these views is not fit to serve the public.

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How else do you think the BBC could have better told this story other than by directly showing the officers saying what they said OP? Reporting like this has to be impactful else there’s no point in doing it.

The BBC’s editorial standards on undercover reporting are wildly high, often so high that journalists can’t meet the organisation’s own bar so never get the green light for their investigations.

I thought it was a fantastic piece of journalism that will be important in the battle to rid our capital’s police force of the institutional racism and sexism that still plagued it, despite numerous investigations and inquiries over a number of years.

And what's the excuse for them talking about women in such misogynistic tones. Or murdering them.

Yep, this. ^ Anyone defending the police in this instance needs to give their head a good wobble!

The Met needs ripping apart and a new force built in its place.

It's too corrupt to be saved.

The police also deal with very vulnerable people every day who need them to be respectful, empathic and level headed. How could you trust those people to support a rape victim, or a victim of hate crime while they’re spewing the same hate?

You have clearly not watched this documentary.

That’s the very reason we should see this

Are you having a laugh @Bloodyscarymary ?

I saw this tonight, with video footage showing the things they've said and done, including kicking a black man constantly until he passed out, and LAUGHING about it.

Then laughing at a pregnant woman who said her boyfriend had kicked her as hard as he could in the belly, in the hope that she would lose her baby. They laughed because they didn't believe her! They said 'yeah, so she SAYS! hahahahaha!'

They laughed at, and mocked people who were upset and physically hurt, and bragged about how they kicked the shit out of people in custody, and rolled around laughing at how funny it was.

Do I feel SORRY for them for getting caught out? As I said.... Are you having a laugh?! No I bloody don't! I am glad they have been exposed, and named and shamed. These were police officers who were paid good money to look after the public and uphold the law, and to try and create peace and look after people. The 'men' in this film footage are disgusting racists and misogynists, and utter, utter thugs. Always the MET police too isn't it?! It seems to attract the worst scum.

Disclaimer NAMPALT (Not all Met police are like that!) Some are though!

These officers are paid to serve and protect the public, and that includes some of the most vulnerable members of society.

The comments were disgusting, and as another poster said it’s endemic within the MET especially. Every single one of the rotten apples in the police force need to be exposed and held accountable for what they say and do.

Fucking hell, for a police officer to hold those views, never mind voice them, is terrifying. They are meant to uphold a code of ethics.

As a social worker I constantly have to reflect on and challenge my own attitudes and values and how they may impact my practice and the people I work with. Why don’t the police, who are also in a position of power, have to do this?

It was pretty shocking to realise the biggest misogynistic, racist, homophobic arseholes are in positions of power like this.
I feel like they should sign an oath or something like doctors have to, this needs to be stamped out

I’m increasingly suspicious of the BBC and its motivations. It is a left-wing organisation, and the left have always disliked the police, who they regard as “tools of the capitalist oppressors.” It’s hard to imagine the BBC exposing ANTIFA or Just Stop Oil, put it that way.

You see their left-wing bias everywhere. Radio 4 can’t even discuss Jane Austen or Tennyson without linking them to slavery or colonialism in some way.

Personally, I don’t think we give the police anywhere near enough credit or support. The majority of police officers I have met have been thoroughly decent men. If I had to deal with vicious, ignorant, foul-mannered little scumbags day in day out I’m sure I’d blurt out horrible and offensive things as well.

Yes he was horrifically racist - he should be fired as police officers must be held to a high standard of morals. But I’m not sure he deserves that conversation to be completely public for the world to see for all eternity.

So a horrific racist should have his identity protected so that people don't know he's a horrific racist.

Not being racist is hardly “high moral standards”, it’s common decency and the absolute minimum of standards. The person had many options open to him - he could have challenged the journalist, walked away, changed the subject. It’s more than overdue that this stuff is exposed and people held to account.

The most concerning to me was the really young officer at the pub drinking with the journalist, who was prompting him, agreeing with what he said and literally egging him on to share his views when he realised he had gone too far. Yes he was horrifically racist - he should be fired as police officers must be held to a high standard of morals. But I’m not sure he deserves that conversation to be completely public for the world to see for all eternity

His parents should hear that. DS is being brought up to shut that conversation down, tell the journalist he’s completely out of order and walk away. I’d be so ashamed of DS and worry where I’d gone wrong if he’d just gone along with it ‘for the bands’.

The programme makes a point of saying that many officers there are good public servants who are doing their best in challenging circumstances. The arseholes caught on camera being racist misogynists deserve to be named and shamed.

I absolutely despair that you feel sorry for them.

These people aren't selling fucking paperclips for a living. They have an extraordinary level of power over ordinary people's lives. The standards that they are (supposed to be) held to are in place for a bloody good reason.

I remember there being an almost exact same exposé, possibly another Panorama one I'm not sure after Stephen Lawrence was murdered and several officers were covertly recorded spouting all kind of racist shit. Best part of 30 years later and here we are again with the same story and this time they are also spewing Andrew Tate style bollocks.
And then we're expected to feel sorry for them, really?!

Do every job , especially if in a position of trust , as if you are being filmed . Or if you are in retail etc, imagine you are told there's a mystery shopper is in the area.

You feel bad for them?! After the filth that has come out of their mouths?! I’ve just watched this with incredulity. The Met is toxic and rotten to the core. It’s frightening, terrifying. These are people we are supposed to trust…god help any of us if we find ourselves in London needing the assistance of the police. You are most definitely being unreasonable.

We could probably have done with some of their undercover journalists investigating the vast number of BBC nonces over the years. People in glasshouses......

If it makes more police scared of exposure to the point they never ever behave in such a way again then that would be a good thing. This is a force that has been in the spotlight for the last few years and was supposedly addressing the appalling culture. The police and police staff involved will not have been unaware what they were doing and saying was wrong. I felt sorry for their colleagues who were identifiable and clearly didn't agree with the culture. I worry they will be targeted. It was vile and I have no doubt more will be reported off the back of this. Brave journalists and colleagues who whistleblew.

Undercover reporting doesn't sit well with me in general, though I admit I haven't watched this one (yet). It is tricky that bad people need to be called out but good people get caught up in the crossfire.
I worked in a place that was the subject of an undercover Panorama episode and did nothing wrong (& therefore wasn't featured in the program) but it still made me feel manipulated and violated. I thought I genuinely got on with the person and it's not fair that they only show the bad side of things not going well when there's so much good too.