To feel a bit bad for the met police on bbc panorama undercover

Disgusting, vile behaviour. God help us!
The sergeant was particularly vile. How someone didn't kick him in the balls is beyond me! And the way he went to see the young woman who was drunk and disorderly ( when he actually didn't need to as it wasn't his job) made my skin crawl! He was practically drooling! Thought he was God's gift and clearly above the law.
The way the 17 year old autistic boy was restrained was awful. 8 officers!! When all he did was throw a pillow at them. Dreadful.

In other words—and with great respect for your dh—it needs people outside the system like the BBC or ordinary citizens to take up the cudgels and fight for proper, professional, treatment.

Thankful for police like your hubby!
They need to have a system where reporting bad behaviour is acceptable and the whistleblower protected. I guess hard to do with some of the senior staff being part of the problem...

My husband is a serving police officer, and has previously worked in the Met. We watched the documentary together and he was horrified at the comments made. The custody sergeant in particular was shocking. Not just the rushing down to 'help' when the woman in skimpy clothes was brought in, not just the comments made about the DV victim, but also the way he spoke about sex in front of others - I felt it was a form of control, particularly as he was saying these things in front of female officers.

My DH said that him being an authority figure ie a sergeant and saying these things in front of any officer would put colleagues in a really difficult position as they are duty bound to report him but if he is senior to them it is very hard to do, particularly if you are new to the role etc. But if you don't, it makes you complicit in the culture that he is normalising in that station.

It was a very difficult watch. I know seeing something like that is shocking but I also know of my own partner's professionalism in a difficult role. 'Not all police officers' may now feel hard to believe but most officers wouldn't condone that behaviour, and do conduct themselves as they should in the role they do.

@Janesmom I couldn't give a toss about intrusion of privacy-the police are doing that to members of the public on a daily basis-stop and search, house raids, taking peoples' devices etc. aren't there also several cop shows that broadcast all that type of stuff? So I think it's fine to do the same to them. Hell will freeze over before I feel sorry for them!

Frankly, given the footage is presumably the worst the bbc gathered over 7 months, I was amazed how tame it generally was. Most of the comments fell more in the bucket of foolish banter and I was not convinced it was in the public interest to broadcast much of it, given the intrusion of privacy inherent in how it was obtained.

You’re missing my point. I’m saying that the police face abuse from elements of the public, even more so when they get bad publicity.

Care home staff ( when there’s been documentaries about care staff mistreating residents) don’t have to contend with the public.

You’re missing my point. I’m saying that the police face abuse from elements of the public,

Care home staff ( when there’s been documentaries about care staff mistreating residents) don’t have to contend with the public.

expose them!

The police in the US are strongly opposed to body cams and frequently turn them iff precisely because they can be used to reveal police misconduct—they are often ordered by judges or local authorities during settlements of major police misconduct and abuse of power cases such as when the police break in and shoot the wrong person or choke someone to death in public for minor civil offenses.

Needless to say—though it seems to need saying here—youtube uploads of random police/civilian interactions are both illegal infringement on civilian privacy (like two police who shared photos of the dead girls in the UK) and not definitively and factually actual real footage of real interactions. They are just as likely to be fake—copaganda its called.

I worked as a therapist for homeless psychotic people—the “dregs” of society you would call them. They didn’t lose their right to privacy and respect because they were mentally ill in public and I didn’t need a man with a gun backing me up with them either.

I've been watching bodycam videos on YouTube posted by the American police. The number of psycho people they have to deal with is eye opening.

I do this, I was a councillor and knew that people scrutinised everything you do at any moment. Anyone in a position of trust would presumably understand that anything said or done anywhere remotely public could be repeated

No sympathy. Hell slap it up then. The problem with a lot of police is that they think they are invincible.

Well said @pikkumyy77

Nonsense. As all cutizens and guests in the country should be treated equally its very clear why some remarks disparaging the citizen for their ethnicity, race, religion, gender or gender presentation should be disallowed. Because all the public are the police’s employers. Not just white people or british born people or people you approve of.

I work in a similar field. I have never heard such language used to describe those who access our service. These are people convicted of offences that are reviled in society.
If they have such hatred and preconceived ideas about groups of people, it will reflect in how they treat the public.
If law enforcement have gotten to the stage that they have these views and can say it out loud, they need to realise that its time to leave

He most certainly get a harder time going forward anything police related.. It's not like the police haven't been known to abuse their powers now is it?

Serpuco was harrassed and nearly killed for revealing corruption among other cops. The violent repression of others in and out ogf the police workforce is legendary. Of course the journalist took a risk. I wounr surprised if he received death threats from the police and their servile lickspittles.

Perhaps they need to stop turning a blind eye and call out the scum they work with...

Every decent honest officer has a harder job because of the scum in their ranks.

The rules and regulations in rules such as policing, teaching and nursing/medical roles are clear. However, you bc are still allowed to have your own views. I agree that in these cases outside the workplace that the comments made were ill advised and crossed a boundary in some cases. I think the problem overall with the general approach is that people working in those professions have had to toe the agenda of the time. For example police and teachers have had to tow adhere to a “woke” agenda which applies the term racist phobic when the view is not, yet a very political view that is part of the trend is allowed and even applauded. Either it’s all or nothing

and ONCE again, whatever you think or believe in (Santa Claus? the Tooth Fairy?) for certain jobs and professions, there is sometimes no difference. Its called "bringing the profession into disrepute" and people can be sanctioned for it by their employer or governing body. No one can police (ha) your thoughts but they can be, as you yourself have admitted, a cause for sanction. Every single profession that has these controls has a clear written policy regarding this.

Harder??? Aww, didums to the police.

It has made people question what police are like and not to instantly trust them. Sadly after seeing this film there is no guarantee of being treated well or even within the law. This isn't a bad thing.

Just like we were told after Cousins murdered Sarah that we, as the general public should ask for assistance if stopped by a lone copper (esp if not in uniform), if it doesn't feel right to even call 999.

This, when you think about it, is absolutely disgusting. No a single person should need protecting from the police, not one.

'Wind them up while filming them'? If an officer is wound up by being filmed, he or she shouldn't be a copper. Also, if that applies to them, will it apply to the rest of us? Police have cameras in their jackets, filming everyone else.

Also, your response to mine is moving goalposts.

But the vast vast vast majority of police don’t hold these views. I’m sure he BBC (who really dislike the police -look at the wording they idea around the synagogue Islamic terror attack) hace carefully edited and manipulated conversations

This has made every single police officers job harder snd more dangerous.