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To feel a bit bad for the met police on bbc panorama undercover

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Bloodyscarymary · 01/10/2025 21:46

Just watching the BBC Panorama doco “Undercover in the Police” and I can’t help feeling a bit uneasy.

Yes, the behaviour shown is awful and they should lose their jobs, but having their faces, names and secretly recorded conversations, sometimes even off duty over a pint broadcast feels like a bit of a violation of privacy.

I honestly would have thought secret filming like that couldn’t even be made public, but clearly it’s legal or the BBC wouldn’t air it.

I’m not excusing what was said at all. The culture clearly needs to change. But is it fair to single out these particular officers when the problem is obviously widespread?

I also felt some of the more junior officers had just absorbed the culture around them, and at times the journalist might have been nudging them into certain topics. A few of the comments even felt like dark humour or going along with pub chat. Still unacceptable, but if you secretly recorded doctors or other professions that probably use a lot of dark humour to get through it, I’m sure you’d hear things that would seem really callous to an outsider.

Absolutely they should be fired/reprimanded, but do they deserve complete public exposure like this? AIBU to feel uncomfortable about it?

YABU they deserve everything that’s coming their way

YANBU it’s too much personal exposure when the real problem is the Met culture not these individual cops

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Bobiverse · 02/10/2025 13:35

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 13:33

Yeah, fair observation. But a degree in journalism has always been met with suspicion by the police from what I can make out.. I have a photography degree who worked in the newspaper industry for years. I fancied changing careers 15 years ago and going into scenes of crime, was told by police friends it would be a waste of my time trying. It literally is one of those things.

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I know a former writer who is now in the police. They changed careers about 17 years ago. It must just depend on the people doing the hiring.

Change2banon · 02/10/2025 13:35

Well your thread didn’t go the way you wanted OP did it? Guess that’s why you’ve left, thankfully.

The 37% in voting, and those posting who are in agreement with OP, very obviously must be police officers themselves, family of officers, or just completely stupid.

godmum56 · 02/10/2025 13:35

Pricelessadvice · 02/10/2025 13:33

I don’t like undercover reporting to be honest. I’m not excusing these vile people at all, but in general I find undercover reporting problematic.
I do feel the reporter pushed and did ask some leading questions and agreed with things to get them to say more.

If they hadn't already have thought it, they wouldn't have said it.

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 13:34

Pricelessadvice · 02/10/2025 13:33

I don’t like undercover reporting to be honest. I’m not excusing these vile people at all, but in general I find undercover reporting problematic.
I do feel the reporter pushed and did ask some leading questions and agreed with things to get them to say more.

Undercover reporting is needed. People are not truthful. Would those police ever have had admitted their actions? Would nursing homes ever admit abuse? Childrens homes?

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 13:33

Bobiverse · 02/10/2025 13:28

People change careers all the time.

I do wish the BBC had placed journalists into several stations to gather evidence throughout the met whilst they did this. Because, from now on, no one with a journalism background will be getting a job in any station.

Yeah, fair observation. But a degree in journalism has always been met with suspicion by the police from what I can make out.. I have a photography degree who worked in the newspaper industry for years. I fancied changing careers 15 years ago and going into scenes of crime, was told by police friends it would be a waste of my time trying. It literally is one of those things.

Pricelessadvice · 02/10/2025 13:33

I don’t like undercover reporting to be honest. I’m not excusing these vile people at all, but in general I find undercover reporting problematic.
I do feel the reporter pushed and did ask some leading questions and agreed with things to get them to say more.

Dogaredabomb · 02/10/2025 13:31

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/10/2025 23:31

Exactly. It's never one bad apple. How many officers was Wayne Couzens in that WA group with? Or those officers who posted the photos they illegally took of the murdered sisters in a London park and posted online. The recruit's covertly filmed in the other Panorama I posted about before.

One bad apple I can excuse but there are barrowfulls of the fuckers in the met.

I also think that the Met is rotten and a lot of them display a bully boy culture.

I have worked with a few very vulnerable people who have been injured in police custody and I believe their accounts of how they obtained unnecessary injuries.

I wouldn't injure someone if I didn't have to and I don't want someone who likes to do that have any power.

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 13:30

Lovethystupidneighbour · 02/10/2025 11:25

I hope the met are disbanded….
so you are all completely left to fend for yourselves.

The UKs attitude to the police is nothing short of narrow minded and quite frankly stupid.

Lets disband them and replace them all with complete robots who have the ability to throw themselves in the line of fire, be exposed to some of the most traumatic and horrific scenes you could imagine, but also at the same time be incredibly unaffected, empathetic and an all round graceful person!

At the same time, these employees must be completely loyal to each other, be prepared to have each others back in dangerous and volatile situation, BUT also rat on each other.

I don’t know any police officers who don’t have incredibly dark humour, much like I’ve never met a squaddie who wouldn’t say some things even id cringe at. I despair for this country with the general public so deeply stuck in their bubbles. Join the real world, it isn’t all magic and rainbows out here guys

Dark humour I totally get. Stomping on someone's ankle, not believing a rape victim with boot prints on her pregnant belly is NOT dark humour.

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 13:29

YourAmplePlumPoster · 02/10/2025 11:20

Fed up with hearing about "Islamophobia" when the Taliban are preventing girls from going to school and Iraq has just passed a law allowing 9 year old girls to be married off. Let alone what's happening in Iran. Funny that this documentary went out on the same day that more perpetrators from a grooming gang in Rochdale were jailed.

Irrelevant.

Bobiverse · 02/10/2025 13:28

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 13:26

He did a journalism degree, hence my comment about vetting!

People change careers all the time.

I do wish the BBC had placed journalists into several stations to gather evidence throughout the met whilst they did this. Because, from now on, no one with a journalism background will be getting a job in any station.

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 13:26

Notagain75 · 02/10/2025 11:14

He was a young post graduate articulate and very presentable. I can see why he was snapped up. I don't expect there is a lot of competition for those jobs.
What sort of vetting would show he was working undercover? He wasn't a regular employee of the BBC but even if he was how would they know that. He didn't have a criminal record and he had right to live in the UK.
Also he worked there for 8 months and presumably did the job well

He did a journalism degree, hence my comment about vetting!

Noodledog · 02/10/2025 13:25

KimberleyClark · 02/10/2025 13:22

Dark/black humour is not the same as racism and misogyny.

Yes, it's got nothing to do with humour. It's contempt and hatred putting on an "it's just banter!" mask, for naive idiots to fall for.

KimberleyClark · 02/10/2025 13:22

Lovethystupidneighbour · 02/10/2025 11:25

I hope the met are disbanded….
so you are all completely left to fend for yourselves.

The UKs attitude to the police is nothing short of narrow minded and quite frankly stupid.

Lets disband them and replace them all with complete robots who have the ability to throw themselves in the line of fire, be exposed to some of the most traumatic and horrific scenes you could imagine, but also at the same time be incredibly unaffected, empathetic and an all round graceful person!

At the same time, these employees must be completely loyal to each other, be prepared to have each others back in dangerous and volatile situation, BUT also rat on each other.

I don’t know any police officers who don’t have incredibly dark humour, much like I’ve never met a squaddie who wouldn’t say some things even id cringe at. I despair for this country with the general public so deeply stuck in their bubbles. Join the real world, it isn’t all magic and rainbows out here guys

Dark/black humour is not the same as racism and misogyny.

Bobiverse · 02/10/2025 13:21

Are there any published statistics of how many met officers have actually been fired under the “clean up” that has meant to have happened since Sarah Everard?

Praying4Peace · 02/10/2025 13:19

Dappy777 · 01/10/2025 22:19

I’m increasingly suspicious of the BBC and its motivations. It is a left-wing organisation, and the left have always disliked the police, who they regard as “tools of the capitalist oppressors.” It’s hard to imagine the BBC exposing ANTIFA or Just Stop Oil, put it that way.

You see their left-wing bias everywhere. Radio 4 can’t even discuss Jane Austen or Tennyson without linking them to slavery or colonialism in some way.

Personally, I don’t think we give the police anywhere near enough credit or support. The majority of police officers I have met have been thoroughly decent men. If I had to deal with vicious, ignorant, foul-mannered little scumbags day in day out I’m sure I’d blurt out horrible and offensive things as well.

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This can't be real!

Solaire18381 · 02/10/2025 13:13

In many cases its groups of men in power in general.

I know of men in power, medical consultants in the NHS for example, who have been fired and struck off for inappropriate touching of "staff beneath them" and worse. Yes, cases where I've actually known these abusers in person and other cases where I've only known of who they are. These doctors, compared to the programme shown last night, were worse. Maybe reporters should go undercover working in hospitals.

Whatafustercluck · 02/10/2025 13:13

Linenpickle · 02/10/2025 08:52

The government annoy me as on the radio a minister was saying that better vetting was needed. What an arse as they need better training. The training and standards have been reduced and dumbed down massively so what do you expect to get in return. You don’t need a degree to be police officer, just like poor nurses don’t need a degree but to return to ‘good old fashioned’ training.

The minister is right, as many within policing would agree with. You can't 'train' prejudice out of someone, no matter how good the training is. The fault lies entirely within the recruitment process.

Pigeonenglish · 02/10/2025 13:13

Bonden · 02/10/2025 11:59

@salcombebabebloody well
said.

Yes. I agree with that as well.

SirBasil · 02/10/2025 13:11

i was quoting someone, @WoodenBoat80 .

I was in uniform with men with PTSD, and believe me when i complained to my bosses about the bantz it got a WHOLE lot worse before it got even incrementally better. So i can hold my head up high.

Unlike any officers who see/hear this stuff and just go about their day.

NessShaness · 02/10/2025 13:11

WoodenBoat80 · 02/10/2025 13:08

@SirBasilrepeat customer… Wow! Have a word with yourself.

It wasn’t @SirBasil that said that, they were responding to another poster.

WoodenBoat80 · 02/10/2025 13:08

@SirBasilrepeat customer… Wow! Have a word with yourself.

SirBasil · 02/10/2025 13:07

godmum56 · 02/10/2025 10:42

nope.

thanks. What a load of waffle.

At this stage: if you are not standing up against this stuff, you are complicit. All of them need to go

NessShaness · 02/10/2025 13:02

SirBasil · 02/10/2025 13:00

copper are you?

"the man who got hit in the cell" shouldn'T have been hit AT ALL, repeat offender or not.

The woman may have been a "repeat customer"???? A REPEAT CUSTOMER COMPLAINING OF DV?

Just listen to yourself. And if you are a police officer, do us all a favour and resign. Attitudes like this is why we have to have undercover reports.

a few pp accused the journalist of asking "leading questions" and comments. Well, the non-bad-apples should have taken him up on that, not agreed with him. No?

Exactly this 👏👏👏👏

SirBasil · 02/10/2025 13:00

Linenpickle · 02/10/2025 08:54

This was so bias as some of those people in custody could be repeat offenders. You don’t know that the man who got hit in the cell hasn’t been kicking off 4 times already and walloped police several times. You don’t know that the woman was a repeat customer. There are lots of gaps and the reporter is a a scumbag.

copper are you?

"the man who got hit in the cell" shouldn'T have been hit AT ALL, repeat offender or not.

The woman may have been a "repeat customer"???? A REPEAT CUSTOMER COMPLAINING OF DV?

Just listen to yourself. And if you are a police officer, do us all a favour and resign. Attitudes like this is why we have to have undercover reports.

a few pp accused the journalist of asking "leading questions" and comments. Well, the non-bad-apples should have taken him up on that, not agreed with him. No?