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How would you tackle child poverty and improve outcomes?

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Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 10:09

I would back:

  • free basic school meals for all from 3 (extras can be paid for) of healthy, veg-based, minimally-processed meals
  • investment into school-based pre-school, to be free for all from age 3
  • increase school funding massively, pay rises for teachers and nursery staff, investment and subsidies into training
  • increase number of SEN schools and in-school SEN provision, as well as PRUs
  • subsidised holiday clubs for all parents working full time
  • extend SureStart, increase reviews by health visitors. If a child isn’t meeting milestones, earlier intervention and increased checks
  • expand apprenticeships

You?

OP posts:
OhDear111 · 01/10/2025 16:53

@Googoogrrfff Why do people think they can do nothing and everyone else will pay? Maintenance for university was means tested throughout most of the last century! It’s not up to the poorest workers to pay for the 37% of dc who want to go to university and increasingly find they aren’t earning much (or at all) afterwards. Increase partition and someone has to pay. At the moment the students owe the government. Around £240 billion. So no, it cannot be free and written off - we need a good proportion paid back.

What services for people on a low income? How low? The ones who won’t work more hours because they lose benefits?

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:51

CoffeeCantata · 01/10/2025 16:48

How would a party get elected with a manifesto to raise taxes to pay for all this?

By mobilising the poor and non-voters to vote in their best interests.

Kendodd · 01/10/2025 16:51

I like your ideas OP.
I would add a massive council house building programme to house working people.

CoffeeCantata · 01/10/2025 16:48

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:35

Universal basic income.

Free university

No benefit cap

Higher taxes

Specialised services for people on a low income

Edited

How would a party get elected with a manifesto to raise taxes to pay for all this?

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:47

Googoogrrfff · 01/10/2025 16:43

Basically free everything, take money from those that work hard and give it to those that don't?

Yep. Take it all. Snatch it and leave them in the skip. (Evil laugh)..

Googoogrrfff · 01/10/2025 16:43

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:35

Universal basic income.

Free university

No benefit cap

Higher taxes

Specialised services for people on a low income

Edited

Basically free everything, take money from those that work hard and give it to those that don't?

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 16:38

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 16:32

Have a listen to Gary’s Economics he’s on fb it’s really interesting. He talks about this a lot.

Umm. Gary Stevenson has been outed as a fraud and a charlatan.

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:35

Universal basic income.

Free university

No benefit cap

Higher taxes

Specialised services for people on a low income

Marshmallow4545 · 01/10/2025 16:33

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 12:40

I've spent a lot of time working with children in poverty and my honest opinion is that you're barking completely up the wrong tree in your points, except Sure Start which made a real difference until it was mostly scrapped under austerity.

Universal fsm and childcare is very expensive and mostly benefits people who aren't in poverty.

Imo the things that would make the most difference (also very expensive).

  • proper social housing and scrap right to buy to protect it for future generations.
  • proper care for adults with addiction and other MH issues.
  • Very early helpful support (not judgement or penalties) at the first sign that a family is struggling.

I completely agree with this. We have to be very targeted about where we offer financial support otherwise you will end up subsidising people that simply don't need it. It creates a weird dependency on the state and places them as some extortionately expensive middle man where lots of families will be paying more tax to fund their own children's FSMs or holiday clubs.

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 16:32

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 16:00

They can mostly make their money elsewhere though, and even if they're not paying enough tax, they are creating jobs while they stay.

Have a listen to Gary’s Economics he’s on fb it’s really interesting. He talks about this a lot.

BettysRoasties · 01/10/2025 16:32

Families with children are 100% higher priority than lone males or just couples.

Problem is the family often needs a 3 bed house/flat. The lone male or couple only need a bedsit or 1 bed may more of those than empty 3 bed council properties and they won’t knowingly put you somewhere that makes you overcrowded.

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 16:25

Theoturkeyflieseast · 01/10/2025 16:16

All children in temporary accommodation
Would go to the top of the housing list for council houses .
It upsets me so much ,that we prioritise able males above children who are dependants ,for a home .
I know of a family who the eldest is sitting gces and have have spent most of their life in temporary accommodation..no kitchen,no garden,no bedroom.
Makes me sick

Do we? Surely they're on different lists for a different kind of accomodation?

Everyone in temporary accommodation is prioritised afaik. Family accomodation is in short supply because of years of right to buy

OhDear111 · 01/10/2025 16:18

If employers have to pay lots more it will change the employment landscape. Companies are going bankrupt and job vacancies are falling, especially for graduates. We can see that making employment more expensive harms growth. So changing benefits would be a tax on employment and that will end in unemployment. Be careful what you wish for. A start would be no benefits if not working 30 hours. No few hours to get all the benefits and dc getting full loans for university and bursaries too because people won’t work full time.

Theoturkeyflieseast · 01/10/2025 16:16

All children in temporary accommodation
Would go to the top of the housing list for council houses .
It upsets me so much ,that we prioritise able males above children who are dependants ,for a home .
I know of a family who the eldest is sitting gces and have have spent most of their life in temporary accommodation..no kitchen,no garden,no bedroom.
Makes me sick

Hubblebubble · 01/10/2025 16:11

I think it's fantastic that schools have moved to digital money systems for school dinners. It makes neglect easier to spot. When i was sent into school with lunch money it wasnt picked up on. There's also an awareness of period poverty now, so free sanitary products in school and public library bathrooms. So no more sock/toilet paper padding.

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 16:00

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 15:51

I don’t think they will move there’s too much money here. They’re absolutely raking it in and they need to pay or FO

They can mostly make their money elsewhere though, and even if they're not paying enough tax, they are creating jobs while they stay.

DeanStockwelll · 01/10/2025 16:00

Horsehow · 01/10/2025 14:02

If private landlord aren’t allowed to set their own rents they will leave the market. 22,000 properties were withdrawn from the private rental market in Scotland in the year following the introduction of the rent cap legislation. Rent increases in Scotland that year were the highest in all of the UK due to the excessive demand. It’s virtually impossible to get a rental in Scotland now. There is nowhere to rent. It’s a terrible idea.

They should be able to set their own rent , as I said it should be monitored and set at a standard of no more than a certain percentage higher than the value in that area.
Like pp I rent ( HA) , the house next door to me which is exactly the same layout as mine is over £200 more pm than mine.

unsync · 01/10/2025 15:52

Decent low cost housing with proper public realm to encourage community spirit.
Early years parenting support such as Home Start provides.
No more government support for low wages. UC is effectively a subsidy enabling employers to pay low wages. No one in full employment should need to claim benefit.

Decent healthcare and proper schooling.

The trouble is, the UK can't afford any of the solutions as things currently stand. Increasing taxation is not the answer to that either. Alienating high/higher rate taxpayers will only serve to reduce tax revenue. Hammering organisations will only make them move elsewehere. A healthy sovereign wealth fund is what is needed. If only the UK had followed Norway with the North Sea oil reserves.

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 15:51

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 15:25

I'm as socialist as they come and I agree absolutely the super rich should pay their taxes, but they don't and how are you going to make them? They're the group that can easily move elsewhere.

I don’t think they will move there’s too much money here. They’re absolutely raking it in and they need to pay or FO

Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 15:46

WoodenBoat80 · 01/10/2025 13:12

I don’t know but what I have first hand experience of is going to school with a sock in my knickers because there’s was sanitary towels at home, no heating and holes in my shoes and a slice of toast for dinner.
Growing up like that ruins your self esteem and makes it impossible to concentrate and do well at school, which then screws your future.
Luckily meeting my husband completely changed my future but looking back do I think my “poor addicted to selfishness and cigarettes mother needed for support? No, I think her children did though.

I’m sorry that happened to you and fully agree with you.

Period products should be free from schools (I think they already are), meals should be provided for all, uniforms and school shoes should be subsidised.

I was also raised in poverty by a mother who chose that lifestyle. Giving her more money wouldn’t have given me the stability I needed.

OP posts:
Meadowfinch · 01/10/2025 15:36

Algen · 01/10/2025 13:11

Education is the ultimate key to improving outcomes, though.

So educate parents through Sure Start centres, make it as easy as possible for children to stay in school and get an education - this involves looking at what schools are actually for, as the current curriculum may not be fit for purpose.

I’d also make child maintenance a factor in any benefits received, and child maintenance to be calculated as 50% of a notional cost per child not depending on income. This would not reduce the amount the resident parent receives from the State, but the non-resident parent would have to reimburse the State for benefits paid that they - as the other parent - should have been responsible for. The debt could be interest bearing and repaid in the same way as student loans, but not written off.

I grew up in a family of six dcs where our f kept breeding because he got more family allowance. We were nothing more than a revenue stream, and there are plenty of men who see children that way. We went without while he had handmade suits.

I'd pay child benefit in vouchers, for school uniform, for shoes, for food to stop that happening again. I'd refinance SureStart centres and provide free school meals.

I'd offer free childcare for the under 11s to any mum attending college or working full time. There has to be a viable way for women to gain skills and escape poverty because it is women who lead their children out of poverty.

Hundslappadrifa · 01/10/2025 15:32

MellowPinkDeer · 01/10/2025 13:31

I would pay the majority of benefits in vouchers , rather than cash. This would hopefully ensure they are spent in the right places.

I also agree with everything in the OP. Though I don’t agree it’s down to the government to sort by themselves, we have to get PEOPLE being more responsible, having the amount of children that they can house and sustain. It’s often just irresponsible life choices that lead to poverty.

Bring back food and clothing vouchers, which is probably against people’s human rights these days.

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 15:25

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 15:00

Tax the super rich

I'm as socialist as they come and I agree absolutely the super rich should pay their taxes, but they don't and how are you going to make them? They're the group that can easily move elsewhere.

daddysgirlnot · 01/10/2025 15:22

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 15:00

Tax the super rich

👏👏👏👏👏Absolutely 100%

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 15:18

autienotnaughty · 01/10/2025 15:09

I worked in family hubs 20 years ago and I saw the work being done. They didn’t last long enough to see an improvement unfortunately

But despite that, there was lasting impact. Imagine what could have been achieved if voters government hadn't refused to continue funding it.

For a relatively small investment, and as you say, only maintained for a short period, these outcomes are nothing short of miraculous.

ifs.org.uk/publications/short-and-medium-term-effects-sure-start-childrens-outcomes

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