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How would you tackle child poverty and improve outcomes?

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Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 10:09

I would back:

  • free basic school meals for all from 3 (extras can be paid for) of healthy, veg-based, minimally-processed meals
  • investment into school-based pre-school, to be free for all from age 3
  • increase school funding massively, pay rises for teachers and nursery staff, investment and subsidies into training
  • increase number of SEN schools and in-school SEN provision, as well as PRUs
  • subsidised holiday clubs for all parents working full time
  • extend SureStart, increase reviews by health visitors. If a child isn’t meeting milestones, earlier intervention and increased checks
  • expand apprenticeships

You?

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Googoogrrfff · 02/10/2025 16:36

LoftyRobin · 02/10/2025 16:13

You've said enough to expose yourself as a conservative. I'm not playing attention seeking games with you. Shoo.

I'm a conservative.. proud of it

CoffeeCantata · 02/10/2025 16:32

LoftyRobin · 02/10/2025 16:13

You've said enough to expose yourself as a conservative. I'm not playing attention seeking games with you. Shoo.

Cop out - quelle surprise! 😆

LoftyRobin · 02/10/2025 16:13

CoffeeCantata · 02/10/2025 15:51

Still waiting for you to address my ‘conservative views’.

You can’t, though, can you? You don’t really understand much about politics.

You've said enough to expose yourself as a conservative. I'm not playing attention seeking games with you. Shoo.

LoftyRobin · 02/10/2025 16:12

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 13:49

There are nearly one hundred midwifery related vacancies on NHSJobs.com, and hundreds of B5 nursing jobs advertised. The NHS is desperately short of staff, and I find it incredible that your friends/neighbours/acquaintances with medical qualifications cannot find work.

They cant find work where they live. I could leave my job tomorrow and find another one. Not the case when all the hospitals that used to provide maternity care in your county have been reduced to one or two.

Many of the people I studied with cannot afford to live in or near London..

CoffeeCantata · 02/10/2025 15:51

LoftyRobin · 02/10/2025 07:41

So you think the only people who work are those who share your conservative views? And the rest of us just don't work? Claim JSA?

Still waiting for you to address my ‘conservative views’.

You can’t, though, can you? You don’t really understand much about politics.

CoffeeCantata · 02/10/2025 15:47

38thparallel · 02/10/2025 10:09

  • proper care for adults with addiction and other MH issues.

The problem with addiction, be it alcoholism, drug addiction or gambling, is that however much help is available, nothing can be done to help people unless they want to stop.
Maybe one day there will be a solution to this but until that happens the addict will put their addiction before their family and everything else and so poverty and a chaotic lifestyle is unavoidable.

The NHS was set up to provide basic health care, free specs and dentures. It was never set up to deal with the complex issues of addiction and MH. I don’t believe it can ever do these things.

Addiction and MH are totally open-ended problems. Who ever said “Ta very much - that’s my 6 NHS counselling sessions - I’m sorted! Bye!” No-one ever.

Sometimes problems don’t have solutions.

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 15:32

Freeatlast001 · 02/10/2025 13:09

I'm a private landlord. Myself and DH worked hard to buy our own home and now have a rental property too. The rental will help pay for our teenagers further education, deposits on homes and money for old age and inheritance for our children.

Why should I be penalised for actually working hard, making good financial decisions and thinking about my children's future.

I have seen cases of families " crying poverty" but the real ones are few and far between.

Loads of people work hard and aren't rich.

ShyMaryEllen · 02/10/2025 14:58

I'm more about carrot than stick, so would stop means-testing everything, so that people could save or work towards a step up (promotion, pay rise, pension fund or whatever) without losing money that is free to those who neither save nor work.

I agree about increasing MW and stopping top ups. I'd make child benefit universal, but only for households with both parents working at least 20 hours a week each, unless there is good reason why they can't, such as disability, caring responsibilities or studying. Ditto nursery provision.

I would stop Right To Buy immediately, and offer incentives to people selling rentals to local authorities to increase the numbers of council houses. I would also increase taxes on private rents and ring-fence the proceeds for more LA house building, so that ultimately there would be enough to make them available to all who want them. No fixed tenancies, no ghettos and fair rents.

Rather than fining parents who take children on holiday in school time, I'd have heavily subsidised residential trips for children who attend regularly. Also school lotteries with tickets going in a 'hat' for every full week/month/term of attendance, and a decent prize that children really want (not a dictionary or pencil case 😀). Tickets could also be awarded in the same way as house points, for good behaviour and other achievements.

I also approve of free school meals for all - not means-tested, very little choice, and all healthy. Probably vegetarian, so all religious groups can eat the same things. I wouldn't allow packed lunches other than for those on special diets with some sort of proof of reason, and would give out recipe cards (or online versions) so that parents and older children could make the meals at home.

Namechange822 · 02/10/2025 14:45

I agree with:

reopen and properly find surestart centres
free school meals for all families claiming universal credit
better cms system with strong, legal sanctions for parents who don’t support their kids when they are able to.
Raise income tax threshold

Id also add change school hours from year 1 upwards to 8.30 - 5.30 as the standard, with the extra time focused on sports, crafts, languages , projects etc. Free for parents on universal credit, a small charge for working parents to cover the additional provision. Fund schools sufficiently to make this happen without placing more workload onto teachers.

Uggbootsforever · 02/10/2025 14:30

So what do you suggest? Everyone owns the exact same share of ‘wealth’ so nobody has any?!

Goldenbear · 02/10/2025 14:29

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 12:36

How does wealth inequality relate in any way to poverty? The wealthy are not taking money forcibly from poor people. They are not claiming benefits, not draining services (often the opposite) and are often providing employment for others. How would poor people be better off if we had fewer millionaires, other than by reducing the number of millionaires by taking their money?

You don't know why 1% of UK population owning 70% of wealth is a problem and you don't see how that relates to increasing poverty?

Many ways:

- concentrated wealth equates to unequal political influence, resulting in policies that favour the rich and weaken the living standards of those on low incomes
-wealth concentrated on property, shares and financial assets drove up their prices,along housing inaccessible to those without assets and trapping them in dire, insecure rentals.

  • far from creating jobs, the very wealthy are so due to passive gains and rents rather than productive wages meaning the wealth remains at the top of the triangle and doesn't help to lift people out of poverty.
Doingmybest80 · 02/10/2025 14:12

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 14:05

Why is it penalising you if you have £50 vouchers to spend on food, rather than £50 cash?

What so all places are going to let you use vouchers?
The shops that are a short distance away? So I do not need transport because you know I will need money for transport.

Tell you what the £83 a week I get and the little top up of UC I'll give up and put my child into supportive living.
Which would cost the tax payer way more money then they give me!!!!

So no I don't have many luxurys as it is, my child will always come first!
But I do not agree with vouchers!

MyLimeGuide · 02/10/2025 14:06

Ablondiebutagoody · 01/10/2025 10:22

Slash welfare to encourage people to work for a living and improve their own lives, rather than generations languishing on benefits.

This.

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 14:05

Doingmybest80 · 02/10/2025 13:49

Bloodyhell here we go again, people on UC unless disabled or are a carer HAVE TO FIND WORK if in a couple one of them have to work a certain amount of hours to make up UCs criteria for that wage.
And the other person has to work a certain amount of hours when there children are aged 3 and above.
So unless they are having children every few years until pension age (very unlikely)they will be sanctioned and there UC taken away!!

Also vouchers, my husband works full time, I am a carer to a child who has complex needs.
1 to 1 at school (they are part time as well).
We do get a top up of UC because of my child, why should I be penalised with having to use vouchers!

And the people that are saying it would stop parents abusing money, it won't!
The parents that put their children first will do regardless.
The parents that don't will sell there vouchers (for less) regardless.

Unfortunately there is no helping a very small amount of parents no matter what help and support you give them.
And it's these children that need the most if not the cycle continues.

But I do agree sure start was beneficial to a lot of parents and it had no stigma to it.
People were accepted and supported no matter who you were.

There is no village anymore, no support systems in place any more.

Why is it penalising you if you have £50 vouchers to spend on food, rather than £50 cash?

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 14:01

3WildOnes · 02/10/2025 11:00

Yes- that's exactly what lifelong secure tenancies would mean. I'm no sure that they would be be massively subsided by the tax payer. They would be paying rent until they die- for a lot longer than you pay a mortgage for. And then another family would live in the house and pay rent and so on amd so on.

If every person could stay in the family sized home for the rest of their lives, the cost of building new council homes to accommodate those needing to move up from smaller to larger homes would be phenomenal and prohibitive. The cost of building, maintaining and improving council homes is enormous, and far outweighs the capped rents which apply to tenants.

Somebody paying council rent is already having their living costs subsidised; the number of people actually paying their own rent for the full duration of their tenancy would be vanishingly small; the majority of council tenants are on some form of benefits and handing them a guaranteed home with no requirement to pay for it, or its upkeep and maintenance, would further encourage that. It's one of the reasons RTB was such a roaring success; people were able to have a stake in their own home. The way it was administered leaves a lot to be desired; the discounts could have been smaller and profits should have been reinvested in building new council homes, but the idea behind it was solid.

Googoogrrfff · 02/10/2025 13:49

Freeatlast001 · 02/10/2025 13:09

I'm a private landlord. Myself and DH worked hard to buy our own home and now have a rental property too. The rental will help pay for our teenagers further education, deposits on homes and money for old age and inheritance for our children.

Why should I be penalised for actually working hard, making good financial decisions and thinking about my children's future.

I have seen cases of families " crying poverty" but the real ones are few and far between.

Same as DH and myself. We own a few flats abroad and rent it out. We'll retire in that country and live off all that money we've saved.

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 13:49

LoftyRobin · 02/10/2025 09:43

Most people on benefits work.

I don't know about anyone else, but right now, I know so many professionals who are unemployed.

Many people who work in design and coding and software (IT basically). 2 doctors (one is in clinical research). 2 in finance (my NDNs). Several midwives and nurses. Most of them have been unemployed for the majority of this year and cannot find another job. They're now navigating the benefits system for the first time.

Long term unemployment is affecting everyone now.

There are nearly one hundred midwifery related vacancies on NHSJobs.com, and hundreds of B5 nursing jobs advertised. The NHS is desperately short of staff, and I find it incredible that your friends/neighbours/acquaintances with medical qualifications cannot find work.

Doingmybest80 · 02/10/2025 13:49

Bloodyhell here we go again, people on UC unless disabled or are a carer HAVE TO FIND WORK if in a couple one of them have to work a certain amount of hours to make up UCs criteria for that wage.
And the other person has to work a certain amount of hours when there children are aged 3 and above.
So unless they are having children every few years until pension age (very unlikely)they will be sanctioned and there UC taken away!!

Also vouchers, my husband works full time, I am a carer to a child who has complex needs.
1 to 1 at school (they are part time as well).
We do get a top up of UC because of my child, why should I be penalised with having to use vouchers!

And the people that are saying it would stop parents abusing money, it won't!
The parents that put their children first will do regardless.
The parents that don't will sell there vouchers (for less) regardless.

Unfortunately there is no helping a very small amount of parents no matter what help and support you give them.
And it's these children that need the most if not the cycle continues.

But I do agree sure start was beneficial to a lot of parents and it had no stigma to it.
People were accepted and supported no matter who you were.

There is no village anymore, no support systems in place any more.

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 13:43

LoftyRobin · 02/10/2025 09:43

Most people on benefits work.

I don't know about anyone else, but right now, I know so many professionals who are unemployed.

Many people who work in design and coding and software (IT basically). 2 doctors (one is in clinical research). 2 in finance (my NDNs). Several midwives and nurses. Most of them have been unemployed for the majority of this year and cannot find another job. They're now navigating the benefits system for the first time.

Long term unemployment is affecting everyone now.

Of the nearly 7m people claiming UC, approx 37% are in work - the percentage gets lower (to around 30%) the further north you go. So not "most", by a long shot.

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 13:34

cadburyegg · 01/10/2025 20:46

I’m glad to see a refreshing take on this.

In theory there’s nothing wrong with UC providing supermarket vouchers (for example) but what happens if you get Tesco vouchers and your kids really need school uniform, no problem so off you go to Tesco only to find that they are out of stock in the sizes you need.

Also a lot of UC is spent on childcare costs which the parent pays upfront and then claims the money back. There isn’t really a way of doing that any differently unless you have the childcare provider billing the government 85% and then the parent the other 15% but that’s more admin for everyone involved and the more admin there is the more staff are required to do it.

"There isn’t really a way of doing that any differently unless you have the childcare provider billing the government 85% and then the parent the other 15% but that’s more admin for everyone involved and the more admin there is the more staff are required to do it."

There's a far easier way; childcare provider prepares bill (showing 85/15 or whatever split) and agrees it with parent. Childcare provider sends bill to government; government pays full bill and reclaims 15% from parent via tax. Childcare provider gets paid promptly. Government can garnishee wages/tax/benefits of absent parent if necessary.

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 13:27

DrCoconut · 01/10/2025 20:22

Got to disagree about vouchers. Household needs vary too much. And it is horribly stigmatising. Imagine trying to pluck up the courage to leave an abusive relationship and then finding out that you will have everyone tut tutting at you in the supermarket because you need a bit of support. I really don't think shaming people with vouchers because they need help is a positive thing and anyone who thinks it is would soon feel differently if it was them being told they'd had their travel allowance that month despite needing to get to a work meeting or they'd better put that chocolate bar back as taxpayers are sick of keeping you in luxury. People are adults and should be trusted to spend money in a wise way. If children are being neglected this is not a benefits issue, it's a neglect issue and would still happen if the parents were on a non UC income, though I know that people on large incomes are better able to hide it by throwing money at the situation.

The problem is that you are confusing needs with wants. Needs are sufficient shelter, food and water, and heating.

It should be far more shameful or stigmatising to not feed your children than to use vouchers to feed them.

If you can't afford chocolate after you've bought food then you can't afford chocolate.

You'd have more to pay for your travel if you had vouchers for food.

Neglect by parents with money is not the issue here, poverty is. There are plenty of parents in poverty who do not neglect their children, but also plenty who do, and the money is largely irrelevant. Crap parents will be crap parents, no matter how much money you waste on them.

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 13:19

Glistening · 01/10/2025 19:57

Yes I am struggling to understand how anyone could really believe that taking state support away from parents discourages having children or decreases child poverty.

The countries with the worst child poverty and highest birth rates are those with very little social safety net to speak of.

Surely posters who suggest this as a solution must know that it will lead to more suffering?

Countries with the worst child poverty and highest birth rates, combined with little welfare support tend to be developing countries, where women have little say in whether or not they have sex or continue pregnancies - once again, men are generally the problem.

Increasing the availability of contraception has shown demonstrable reduction in child poverty, but this applies less in developed nations where contraception is generally easy to obtain, because people then make the choice to continue to have children as somebody else will pay and they won't die.

Freeatlast001 · 02/10/2025 13:09

Allthatshines1992 · 01/10/2025 10:10

Ban private landlords. Make all the rented housing council only and have lots of it so as to prevent overcrowding and get children out of HMO's. People would still be able to own and purchase their own homes.

Edited

I'm a private landlord. Myself and DH worked hard to buy our own home and now have a rental property too. The rental will help pay for our teenagers further education, deposits on homes and money for old age and inheritance for our children.

Why should I be penalised for actually working hard, making good financial decisions and thinking about my children's future.

I have seen cases of families " crying poverty" but the real ones are few and far between.

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 02/10/2025 12:45

I would make it illegal to own more than three properties.

One of the reasons why there is a housing shortage is because there are areas where one person owns 30 or 40 or even more houses, meaning that there are none, and that person essentially sets the rent and conditions for living in that particular area.

Also the fact that the houses are bought up by a couple of people means that house prices are higher because there are less of them available.

Make it illegal to own more than three properties and those other properties would have to be sold, meaning that there would be more on the market, the prices would drop, more people could afford to buy them, and we all know that the cost of a mortgage is less than it costs to rent.

usernamealreadytaken · 02/10/2025 12:36

Goldenbear · 01/10/2025 18:05

It is you who is disillusioned or disingenuous who knows. In the last 40 years the number of multi-millionaires in the UK has risen exponentially! Forty years ago there were fewer than 100,000 millionaires in the UK and the number of people with wealth above £5 million was miniscule. In 2024 that figure had risen to approximately 3 million millionaires. Even with this 'exodus' the absolute number is still vastly higher than it was 40 years ago, this is why we see such huge wealth inequality, the richest 1 % of the UK hold 70% of the wealth. we are not discussing middle/working class people on £100000 as well you probably know!

How does wealth inequality relate in any way to poverty? The wealthy are not taking money forcibly from poor people. They are not claiming benefits, not draining services (often the opposite) and are often providing employment for others. How would poor people be better off if we had fewer millionaires, other than by reducing the number of millionaires by taking their money?