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How would you tackle child poverty and improve outcomes?

340 replies

Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 10:09

I would back:

  • free basic school meals for all from 3 (extras can be paid for) of healthy, veg-based, minimally-processed meals
  • investment into school-based pre-school, to be free for all from age 3
  • increase school funding massively, pay rises for teachers and nursery staff, investment and subsidies into training
  • increase number of SEN schools and in-school SEN provision, as well as PRUs
  • subsidised holiday clubs for all parents working full time
  • extend SureStart, increase reviews by health visitors. If a child isn’t meeting milestones, earlier intervention and increased checks
  • expand apprenticeships

You?

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autienotnaughty · 01/10/2025 15:09

Uggbootsforever · 01/10/2025 13:28

They don’t want to make healthy choices. I know it’s hard to accept but it’s true.

I worked in family hubs 20 years ago and I saw the work being done. They didn’t last long enough to see an improvement unfortunately

SeagullSam2027 · 01/10/2025 15:09

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 15:00

Tax the super rich

The super rich won't be funding other people's lifestyle choices, that's for sure.

CraftyNavySeal · 01/10/2025 15:08

Review the definition of poverty and tie it to actual material deprivation.

The current definition is based on percentile of household income so it’s mathematically impossible for there not to be children living in poverty unless you sterilise the lowest earners to stop them having children.

Equally making it illegal to pay anyone over minimum wage would eradicate poverty because there would no longer be a bottom 20%

Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 15:06

popcornandpotatoes · 01/10/2025 14:50

I agree that schools need much more resource and involvement.

I think going on about it being parents responsibility etc just shows a real level of ignorance tbh. Would the world be better if adults only had kids they wanted and could afford? Yes. Will that ever happen? No. Do people not have children in counties where there's no welfare? No. There's just more poverty. Making existing children poorer will not help. Feckless adults have always bred and always will, unless we're going to sterilise them

The birthrate is highest in countries where women don’t receive education. We need to focus on education, not handouts for the uneducated.

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Uggbootsforever · 01/10/2025 15:06

Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 15:03

“Run the risk of being evicted every six months on the whims of a landlord”

Like everyone else in private rent aka 19% of UK households?

There is absolutely no way the state should be paying for children with separated parents to have bedrooms at both houses, for them to sit empty half the time. No way at all.

Why is it benefit claimants think people who don’t claim never get evicted, always have money to pay their bills, are insulated from every financial problem? If anything we are far more at risk than they are, of eviction, bankruptcy, unemployment, repossession. They’ve lost touch with reality as they’re so used to everything being free, discounted or just provided for them.

Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 15:05

OhDear111 · 01/10/2025 15:02

Where is the money coming from? It’s no good having a wants list. Who can truly afford the huge tax increase this would need. We mostly need to provide for our own dc. It’s our responsibility. It’s not good enough to expect more and more from the state.

By reducing the benefits given in cash to the parents. Removing the two child benefit cap is going to cost 3.5b; that’d pay for a lot of afterschool clubs.

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Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 15:03

spicetails · 01/10/2025 14:31

Try living as a single parent on full time minimum wage with two bed houses running at around £1000 pcm and most landlords wont rent to people who require housing benefit to help top up.

Im a single parent, I work full time on more than minimum wage and I’d still qualify for housing benefit and likely wouuld still have to try to fibd a willing guarantor plus run the risk of potentially being evicted every six months at the whims of the landlord if I did fibd one who was willing to rent to me on my paltry more-than-minimum wage take home pay plus hb

Also, with 50/50 becoming the norm one parent will be excluded from any financial support even working FIL time as only one parent can claim child benefit and tThis is yhe ‘gateway’ for being eligible to apply for housing benefit despite the fact the child has two homes and a need for housing in both homes (blame the ridiculous family court trend of 50/50)

“Run the risk of being evicted every six months on the whims of a landlord”

Like everyone else in private rent aka 19% of UK households?

There is absolutely no way the state should be paying for children with separated parents to have bedrooms at both houses, for them to sit empty half the time. No way at all.

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OhDear111 · 01/10/2025 15:02

Where is the money coming from? It’s no good having a wants list. Who can truly afford the huge tax increase this would need. We mostly need to provide for our own dc. It’s our responsibility. It’s not good enough to expect more and more from the state.

LittleMG · 01/10/2025 15:00

Tax the super rich

Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 15:00

angelos02 · 01/10/2025 14:31

Where is all the money going to come from to pay for all of this? Let me guess - lets go after the middle income earners?

Reduce universal credit, remove the triple lock, keep the two child benefit cap. That’d easily cover it.

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Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 14:58

Algen · 01/10/2025 14:26

Relative poverty is a bit of a nonsense. I’d prefer to use minimum standards of living (so would take into account regional variations), or absolute poverty.

Agree, it means a set percentage will always be deemed in poverty. In reality, I think poverty of the 90s or before is long gone now except in cases where the parents are mentally ill or addicts.

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PersistentRain · 01/10/2025 14:58

That there would be actual jobs and they would pay enough to fund a basic life. That if you work hard that there is career progression and incentives not to stay on benefits.
That you are better off working than not. Then we teach children in school that this is the point and that’s what they are there for, giving them something to work towards.
Stop making GCSEs harder all the time so it’s harder for those at the lower end to pass. Maths GCSE is nothing like what I was doing 35 years ago. It’s not making children smarter, it’s setting more up to fail.
Bring fun back into education especially primary. Give them more options when they are teenagers than a full timetable of GCSEs most of them don’t need.
Reduce rents and house pricing in line with what people are actually earning. I grew up in a 4 bed house paid for by one income. It’s worth a fortune now.

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 14:56

popcornandpotatoes · 01/10/2025 14:50

I agree that schools need much more resource and involvement.

I think going on about it being parents responsibility etc just shows a real level of ignorance tbh. Would the world be better if adults only had kids they wanted and could afford? Yes. Will that ever happen? No. Do people not have children in counties where there's no welfare? No. There's just more poverty. Making existing children poorer will not help. Feckless adults have always bred and always will, unless we're going to sterilise them

I think we need to stop asking schools to do everything and resource other services properly.

eatreadsleeprepeat · 01/10/2025 14:55

State supplied childcare.
Schemes which match farms with schools and nurseries so food is local and could also offer training/work.
Fund wrap round care in a way that allows better paid staff who can deliver cookery lessons, life skills, enrichment in an age appropriate way.

popcornandpotatoes · 01/10/2025 14:50

I agree that schools need much more resource and involvement.

I think going on about it being parents responsibility etc just shows a real level of ignorance tbh. Would the world be better if adults only had kids they wanted and could afford? Yes. Will that ever happen? No. Do people not have children in counties where there's no welfare? No. There's just more poverty. Making existing children poorer will not help. Feckless adults have always bred and always will, unless we're going to sterilise them

3WildOnes · 01/10/2025 14:46

I think lack of secure housing is a massive issue so I would severely limit private rentals and massively increase social housing with lifelong secure tenancies but no right to buy. Re open sure start centres. Free after school and holiday activities for all children, arts based, sports based and musical.

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 14:44

CoffeeCantata · 01/10/2025 14:26

But look what happened with Sure Start!

You can lead a horse to water etc

What happened with Sure Start?

Do you mean the real and long lasting impact it had on health and education outcomes for children in the most disadvantaged areas and socio economic groups?

ifs.org.uk/publications/short-and-medium-term-effects-sure-start-childrens-outcomes

JHound · 01/10/2025 14:43

Horsehow · 01/10/2025 13:43

I disagree. I put my child into excellent childcare at 8 months and went back to work. We have a secure income and a secure roof over our heads because of this. I am a happy, productive worker and my husband and I are both top rate taxpayers. 7 years on we have a very happy, intelligent, sociable child who is thriving. My career hasn’t stalled due to taking excessive time out of the workplace and job security fears are therefore much less.

How many happy, productive, intelligent women would just choose not to have kids at all if it meant they had to stay at home with them for 18 months? Working parents are a good thing.

If maternity leave is 18 months it does not mean you have to stay home.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/10/2025 14:34

I also would like to see more practical subjects being taught in school, or maybe offered as clubs.

Cooking a hot meal, mending, some basic home maintenance, budgeting. It helps with running a household when they are older, and with spending money wisely and also, it helps pupils find their vocation, which in turn can again lead to a job.

Googoogrrfff · 01/10/2025 14:33

Ablondiebutagoody · 01/10/2025 10:22

Slash welfare to encourage people to work for a living and improve their own lives, rather than generations languishing on benefits.

I'd do that slowly. Slowly reduce and taper it off till it goes to 0

CoffeeCantata · 01/10/2025 14:32

Algen · 01/10/2025 14:26

Relative poverty is a bit of a nonsense. I’d prefer to use minimum standards of living (so would take into account regional variations), or absolute poverty.

Agree.

If the relative poverty idea had been around when I was small, I’d have been classified as deprived but I was nothing of the sort! We didn’t have central heating, a tv or go on holiday but I had a great childhood.

spicetails · 01/10/2025 14:31

Cindyyyy · 01/10/2025 10:27

If all children are entitled to be at school for free from 3, and fed there, including during holidays and wraparound care, parents would have 30-40hrs a week to earn an income.

If they refuse to work or to provide for their children, they’re not fit to be parents.

Try living as a single parent on full time minimum wage with two bed houses running at around £1000 pcm and most landlords wont rent to people who require housing benefit to help top up.

Im a single parent, I work full time on more than minimum wage and I’d still qualify for housing benefit and likely wouuld still have to try to fibd a willing guarantor plus run the risk of potentially being evicted every six months at the whims of the landlord if I did fibd one who was willing to rent to me on my paltry more-than-minimum wage take home pay plus hb

Also, with 50/50 becoming the norm one parent will be excluded from any financial support even working FIL time as only one parent can claim child benefit and tThis is yhe ‘gateway’ for being eligible to apply for housing benefit despite the fact the child has two homes and a need for housing in both homes (blame the ridiculous family court trend of 50/50)

angelos02 · 01/10/2025 14:31

Where is all the money going to come from to pay for all of this? Let me guess - lets go after the middle income earners?

JHound · 01/10/2025 14:30

I would get rid of the assumption which has become hard-wired into British society and mind sets that it is the state’s responsibility to pay for the costs of bringing up children. It isn’t. It’s the parents’ responsibility.

Applause. It’s really tiring just how many
people see it as the job of the state (or rather “other taxpayers” ) to provide for them / their kids.

daddysgirlnot · 01/10/2025 14:29

Cinaferna · 01/10/2025 14:07

I would stop subsidising massive companies via UC so they can pay below CoL wages. It should be illegal to pay anyone less than a living wage. Overtime should go back to being double pay to enable parents to cover childcare costs and other antisocial costs arising from overtime.

I would change the law so that profits for shareholders were no longer a company's primary legal duty before their duties to workers and clients/customers. Then I would give big tax breaks to companies that ran on-site creches and nurseries.

I would cap gambling at £5 for lottos and sports, criminalise casinos, take class action against all casinos that have taken money from gamblers which the gamblers themselves have stolen or borrowed and left debts unpaid, making them recipients of stolen goods. And use the money to set up hubs in

Massive tax on sugar and alcohol. Subsidies on vegetables, protein, complex carbs.

I would fine feckless fuckers who walk out on their families when the children are under 18, and automatically dock childcare costs from their wages.

I would set up social housing schemes where single parent families could live in their own apartments within a complex that allowed for shared cooking, socialising, childcare etc, so there were always other adults around to share the load.

I would make it illegal for anyone who doesn't live in UK to have an uninhabited home here and insist that all properties bought as investments and standing empty are rented out at peppercorn long term rents to key workers. Or seize those properties and make them into not for profit rental or council housing.

Free school meals. Free summer holiday schemes.
Reopen the bloody libraries.
Warm hubs that offer hot food and family films and games during winter.

Much smaller schools and class sizes. Especially secondary. The shell-shock of moving from primary to secondary puts so many children off school for life, leading to poor education and prospects.

Far more trade and skill-based training and pride in these subjects from secondary school onwards.

All state schools would have identical cheaply available uniform that can be bought from any shop, not specified uniform outlets. Ditto all sportswear.
Children would be allowed to wear unbranded trainers to school so parents don't have to buy school shoes on top.

Would vote for you! Agree with all of this 🤩

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