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Flag bearers, marchers- these are your (white) people…

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Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 14:58

AIBU to think that if you attended the Unite the Kingdom rally and/or displayed English flags because Tommy Robinson told you to- the racists in the linked video are your people and you are either a racist or complicit with racism.

A black YouTuber went in disguise to the rally and had no difficulties finding racists happy to openly air their views:

My husband often hears similar comments to those in the video from ordinary local white people who feel comfortable and mistake him as one of them, but don’t realise he’s married to a brown person.

Just because you agree with the views of a racist organisation or cause on a single issue, does not make it ok to join that racist organisation or cause. In the same way believing in a free Palestine does not make it ok to join Hamas.’ Dissatisfaction with post WW1 reparations and sanctions did not make it ok for Germans to endorse the Nazi party. Anger about economic policies does not make it ok for Americans to vote Trump. If you want to join those causes over a single issue, you should admit that you are in fact a terrorist/ racist/ xenophobic.

YABU- it’s unfair to call someone racist just because they have marched with Tommy Robinson or hung flags in support of his movement

YANBU- you cannot support a racist/xenophobic movement without actually being racist/ xenophobic

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Winteriscoming80 · 01/10/2025 07:33

If it makes me racist to want border control then so be it,we can’t go to Muslim countries and build churches yet there are over 2000 here,illegal migration is bleeding this country dry,fyi I don’t like Tommy Robinson,how does he get his money?

Yamamm · 01/10/2025 07:26

OP. Can you agree that non racist people can have concerns about mass immigration and the small boats nonsense?
Can you agree that people can join a march without agreeing with everyone else on the march?

Yamamm · 01/10/2025 07:23

Emori · 01/10/2025 00:14

They've literally got what they asked for. Turns out it isn't solving all their life problems. Who knew?

When did the people of the UK vote for massive inward immigration?

Yamamm · 01/10/2025 07:21

Emori · 30/09/2025 23:22

They probably all voted brexit too. Which is the single biggest driver of the increase in undocumented migrants. So they're actually marching against and putting flags up in response to their own poor choices. "Take our country back" they say. Well, you just did. And how's that going for you, fuckwit?

Brexit has virtually nothing to do with the increase in migration. No, we didn’t return people under the Dublin agreement (took more in than the tiny numbers who were ever turned under it).
Brexit has at least stoped the ‘marry a random European’ scam.

Greenmouldycheese · 01/10/2025 07:18

VivienneDelacroix · 30/09/2025 22:54

What a wonderful example of DARVO. Absolute text book. Minoritised people in this country are the ones who have been silenced for decades and their experiences of racism whitewashed. But here you are deflecting that experience, claiming that your majority voice is silenced, and reversing the victim. Claiming that the (majority white supporters) of Robinson are being "dehumanised" when that is precisely what has happened to black people for centuries is particularly tone-deaf and actually maliciously, intentionally provocative.

OP, Mumsnet is a fertile ground for white fragility, and weaponised white women's tears, as is clear from many of these responses.

Bringing up something that happened centuries ago is irrelevant. We are in the current times and using slurs is being seen for what it is. Stop using them to incite violence.

ProfessionalWhimsicalSkidaddler · 01/10/2025 07:10

I saw this video. Shocking that someone with a father from Mauritius can hold these views. For me, YANBU. I know Tommy Robinson is a racist and I don’t want to be or know anyone who is associated with him, his marches or his views. Even a broken clock is right twice a day but if you hold the same views as someone like that, you should probably do some reflection.

StandFirm · 01/10/2025 07:04

Toastea · 30/09/2025 21:35

What word do you use instead for the BNP, the EDL, the AfD, and the Great Replacement Theory?

Using the nazi/race comments as slurs is incredibly dangerous.
When I read these types of comments, I think of the famous quote that the devil's greatest trick is to make you believe he doesn't exist. But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck...

Gingernessy · 01/10/2025 06:29

BluntPlumHam · 30/09/2025 23:41

Oh they can .. of course you can racially abuse a white person however to suggest it’s on par with hate crimes against ethnic/black and Asians is disingenuous but then you knew that. It’s a pathetic attempt at derailing ops thread.

Edited

I didn't say it was on par - just pointing out that it happens.

dazedandconfused14 · 01/10/2025 03:50

Redrosesposies · 01/10/2025 00:00

I keep saying this but it's got fuck all to do with race or skin colour or nationality, its about people taking the piss. That includes people coming here and then bringing lots of relatives and those already here who manipulate the system whatever colour they are, especially when so many are struggling.

We are a very tolerant country and welcome anyone here who works and pays their taxes, integrates into the community they live in and doesn't rape or kill us.

Starting a thread like this is designed to cause division and shame on that reporter for cherry picking his interviewees. You know as well as I do that many people on that march were there to tell Starmer and his nasty bunch of cronies where to get off.

Sorry but as a second generation (brown) immigrant who has worked here all my life and paid taxes, you’re wrong.

Everyone in my family, including the older generation who moved here, are university educated and have jobs that reflect this. I would say I’m extremely integrated, although I find it hard to respond to this in a meaningful way because who decides what it means? What do you mean it?

Regardless, I’ve been told so many times to go back where I came from. Some people may feel the way you do but it’s disingenuous to pretend everyone does. Especially when those people are attending a march that was held by a known far-right racist. It seems unlikely that the average person who is worried about immigration isn’t going to decide to go support Tommy Robinson at his march, given his very public views (and yes- if you go to his march, you’re supporting him).

sadmillenial · 01/10/2025 02:30

EmeraldRoulette · 01/10/2025 01:21

@Lonelycrab thank you

I actually saw that kick off from a different angle on the day. This is Northumberland Avenue is it? It looked much worse from the video I was watching. But the one you've linked to, that is nowhere near 1000s of people being violent.

happy to agree to disagree but your comment jumped out at me because I could not imagine thousands of people being violent at this protest in particular and it not being commented on - it would have been absolutely all over the press if it was thousands of people.

I have no agenda here, by the way

I watched that protest in quite a fearful way because I had no idea what might happen

As it stands, I'm relieved that it wasn't what I thought it might be

I'm obviously aware that there are actual full on racist ethno nationalists around who want me out of the country purely because of the colour of my skin. Or who might even kill me.

But from what I can gauge without actually being there, this is not the majority of people who were at this event.

isn't this just another way of saying "racism is more acceptable if people are polite and calm when they do it" though?

EmeraldRoulette · 01/10/2025 01:21

@Lonelycrab thank you

I actually saw that kick off from a different angle on the day. This is Northumberland Avenue is it? It looked much worse from the video I was watching. But the one you've linked to, that is nowhere near 1000s of people being violent.

happy to agree to disagree but your comment jumped out at me because I could not imagine thousands of people being violent at this protest in particular and it not being commented on - it would have been absolutely all over the press if it was thousands of people.

I have no agenda here, by the way

I watched that protest in quite a fearful way because I had no idea what might happen

As it stands, I'm relieved that it wasn't what I thought it might be

I'm obviously aware that there are actual full on racist ethno nationalists around who want me out of the country purely because of the colour of my skin. Or who might even kill me.

But from what I can gauge without actually being there, this is not the majority of people who were at this event.

IAmNotALoon · 01/10/2025 00:35

Baital · 01/10/2025 00:10

Yes, it's strange how many people knocking Remain for 'Project Fear' are now agitating against the consequences of Brexit.

Those nasty, all powerful Furriners!

EU countries are having the same issues too (rapid immigration and a push- back against it), as are non-EU countries. It's not due to Brexit.

Halfadoy · 01/10/2025 00:34

Tommy Robinson is not a racist.

Emori · 01/10/2025 00:14

They've literally got what they asked for. Turns out it isn't solving all their life problems. Who knew?

Baital · 01/10/2025 00:10

Yes, it's strange how many people knocking Remain for 'Project Fear' are now agitating against the consequences of Brexit.

Those nasty, all powerful Furriners!

PepsiMaxCherryAddict · 01/10/2025 00:10

Baital · 01/10/2025 00:08

And the (male) protesters who have history of domestic abuse?

And then chant slogans about protecting 'our' women? (Just not the women they abused)

Including chants like ‘get your tits out for the lads!’ as I seem to remember seeing a recording of at one of these rallies, which I think was unite the kingdom actually. Yes, they sure care about women and girls 😂😂

Emori · 01/10/2025 00:08

You know as well as I do that many people on that march were there to tell Starmer and his nasty bunch of cronies where to get off.

What the fuck does Starmer have to do with the rise in undocumented migrants? That's down to the Tories and all the dickheads who voted for them and voted for brexit. Protest against them. I get that for most people in that fascist riot, it would mean protesting against themselves. So, do that. Let them protest against their own fucking stupidity and leave the rest of us alone. Sick to the back teeth of the useless bovine lot of them.

Baital · 01/10/2025 00:08

Ninjasan · 01/10/2025 00:04

I didn't attend. A 14 year old from my town was sexually abused and considered a suitable sex partner by a resident of the local hotel. It could have been my daughter. Is he a perv who has been here for 8 days from some random country? Yes. Do I think our government doesn't care about women here? Yes. Would you be happy if it was your daughter? Would you?

And the (male) protesters who have history of domestic abuse?

And then chant slogans about protecting 'our' women? (Just not the women they abused)

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 01/10/2025 00:06

hattie43 · 30/09/2025 23:47

Racist is bandied about to so many people now it’s no longer the insult it was . We’re all racist apparently so let’s just agree we are so the left have nothing left to argue about .

This says a lot about you. Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc are not buzz words or insults but real life discrimination and hatred affecting marginalised groups.

Must be nice to ignore racism simply because it doesn’t affect you. Some of us have to live what you dismiss as point scoring for the left. I have to tell explain to my kids why a small minority of their peers are now openly using racial slurs around them/ causally talking in racist ways…Conversations I was hoping I wouldn’t have to have with them until they were older but have been fast-tracked by the increasing open racism we are experiencing as a result of the current climate

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Baital · 01/10/2025 00:06

Redrosesposies · 01/10/2025 00:00

I keep saying this but it's got fuck all to do with race or skin colour or nationality, its about people taking the piss. That includes people coming here and then bringing lots of relatives and those already here who manipulate the system whatever colour they are, especially when so many are struggling.

We are a very tolerant country and welcome anyone here who works and pays their taxes, integrates into the community they live in and doesn't rape or kill us.

Starting a thread like this is designed to cause division and shame on that reporter for cherry picking his interviewees. You know as well as I do that many people on that march were there to tell Starmer and his nasty bunch of cronies where to get off.

Sadly not. Look at the Windrush scandal.

Look at Farage saying even people who have come here to fill skills gaps, paid their taxes and contributed to the community should be deported.

Ninjasan · 01/10/2025 00:04

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 14:58

AIBU to think that if you attended the Unite the Kingdom rally and/or displayed English flags because Tommy Robinson told you to- the racists in the linked video are your people and you are either a racist or complicit with racism.

A black YouTuber went in disguise to the rally and had no difficulties finding racists happy to openly air their views:

My husband often hears similar comments to those in the video from ordinary local white people who feel comfortable and mistake him as one of them, but don’t realise he’s married to a brown person.

Just because you agree with the views of a racist organisation or cause on a single issue, does not make it ok to join that racist organisation or cause. In the same way believing in a free Palestine does not make it ok to join Hamas.’ Dissatisfaction with post WW1 reparations and sanctions did not make it ok for Germans to endorse the Nazi party. Anger about economic policies does not make it ok for Americans to vote Trump. If you want to join those causes over a single issue, you should admit that you are in fact a terrorist/ racist/ xenophobic.

YABU- it’s unfair to call someone racist just because they have marched with Tommy Robinson or hung flags in support of his movement

YANBU- you cannot support a racist/xenophobic movement without actually being racist/ xenophobic

I didn't attend. A 14 year old from my town was sexually abused and considered a suitable sex partner by a resident of the local hotel. It could have been my daughter. Is he a perv who has been here for 8 days from some random country? Yes. Do I think our government doesn't care about women here? Yes. Would you be happy if it was your daughter? Would you?

PepsiMaxCherryAddict · 01/10/2025 00:01

Emori · 30/09/2025 23:56

Yeah classic. "Look what you made me do!!!" Err, no. You did that pal. You decided to be a fascist, all by yourself. You looked at the world around you and all the people in it and thought that was your best option.

Yeah, it’s pure spite. It’s because they’ve got the emotional maturity of a two year old stamping their feet! ‘That nasty person said I was wacist and stewpid, I’ll show them now!’ They don’t care if they suffer, just as long as someone they dislike suffers more. It was the same with Brexiteers when asked what was the best thing about Brexit? They say ‘Remainer tears’. These are grown arse adults. It’s laughable 😂

Redrosesposies · 01/10/2025 00:00

I keep saying this but it's got fuck all to do with race or skin colour or nationality, its about people taking the piss. That includes people coming here and then bringing lots of relatives and those already here who manipulate the system whatever colour they are, especially when so many are struggling.

We are a very tolerant country and welcome anyone here who works and pays their taxes, integrates into the community they live in and doesn't rape or kill us.

Starting a thread like this is designed to cause division and shame on that reporter for cherry picking his interviewees. You know as well as I do that many people on that march were there to tell Starmer and his nasty bunch of cronies where to get off.

Baital · 30/09/2025 23:59

waltzingparrot · 30/09/2025 22:35

You don't actually think that everyone on the march is a supporter of Tommy Robinson and his beliefs do you?

Surely you understand that many thousands of people piggybacked the date/route for a myriad of reasons but united in showing the Government the strength of feeling, that they are not happy with immigration policy/have genuine concerns at the speed/ lack of infrastructure support around immigration numbers.

So you would be wrong to say, because they were on TR's march, they are racist.

And my boss was on the march. He can't stand Tommy Robinson but he was there to let Kier Starmer know that he will never stop him flying the English flag on the streets of England!

I am sorry you have a boss devoid of critical thinking.

No-one - not even Keir Starmer (sarcasm, sorry, i feel i have to make it clear) is saying you can't fly the English flag. Or the British flag.

We are saying it is great to see those flags flying to support e.g. our sports teams, or national events such as a jubilee. Also great to see them flying on an everyday basis.

But when they are being put up in response to racists calling for immigrants (some if them anyway, I don't hear much outrage against white Aussies / Kiwis / South Africans etc) to be deported... well, it does rather come across as flying the flag to support racists

Lonelycrab · 30/09/2025 23:59

EmeraldRoulette · 30/09/2025 23:44

@Lonelycrab have I understood this correctly?

You saw "thousands" of people being violent?

Go on then, you skip to 3hr 28 mins on this video and count them then; you’ll see the glasses being thrown at the police horses too. Dozens of police and horses straining to hold back the crowd, getting punched, sworn at and bottles thrown at them.

Hundreds and hundreds of them. It takes 50 people to span that road and they are many deep. Watch it and tell me I’m wrong. Perhaps you weren’t following exactly what was going on.

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