Flag bearers, marchers- these are your (white) people…

My ignorant sister is exactly the same, she tried falling out with me because she found out my husband went on the march (he's not racist)

It’s my greatest strength 😊

What I said is not racist - its a perfectly rational statement.
I didn't say all migrants from a particular country and I'm well aware that some may be coming to escape that. Many are coming for purely economic reasons too.
Some migrants hotels have put up charter about the rights of women and how we treat each other in this country.
If you can't discuss this without generalising and calling people racist then you should leave the thread.

No one is arguing you shouldn’t report rape.
You do realise white British men rape women too don’t you?
It conflating the “being an immigrant “ with being a rapist - that’s the racist part.

Sure, we all believe you.

You can try and tar everyone with the same brush but some of us can intellectually divorce the 'look' from what is actually actually being represented here

It’s not meaningless to most people.

If you think hanging out with Nazi admiring, far right activists on their racist demonstrations is “meaningless “ then you should seriously be questioning your life choices.

This is similar to what happened to family friends of mine. Nothing to do with anything a rich media magnate has said. Real life experiences. Same with Pakistani Muslim rape gangs - real people involved, real experiences. All shoved neatly under the carpet and victims and their families called racist.

If you are in that situation, or you see it play out with real life friends, and the so-called reasonable left are shutting you down and calling you a xenophobic or a racist for reporting incidents, where do you go?

My stance is that I no longer believe the political system is serving anyone now but the wealthy. We have a choice between corruption and racist corruption. I imagine Labour are pretty much sunk after this term. I think Farage will be our next prime minister, although I deeply hope he isn’t.
I’m happy with immigration in this country and think it’s largely positive, but in the cases where there are problems (rape gangs, changes to communities from illegal immigrants housed in hotels) they should be dealt with, not covered up and those suffering called racist bigots.

We have all fallen for divisive tactics over the last few years which means the very real people affected by all of this - those affected by the increasing racism and those ignored because the government and the systems within are not dealing with issues for fear of being called racist - are just screaming into the void one way or another. I’ve yet to see a politician with a reasonable stance and a plan to create a more coherent and effective society.
As it is the more the left “call it out” the more people head towards Farage. It’s so obvious. And now our main choices seem to be to head towards the ideological and intolerant left or to the racist and intolerant right. I don’t think this is what most people want.

In my perhaps naïve view I believe it’s fully possible to have a society where people can live peacefully, those who do wrong face fair consequences, the vulnerable are supported and everyone has access to decent and accessible education and health care. We have none of that now. I doubt we’ll have anything like that under Farage.

FFS Maybe they left those countries because didn’t agree with the regime?!

You are being racist because you are deciding that, just because someone comes from a certain country it means they will be abusive to women. Honestly, what’s so hard for you to understand about this?

Because when I see Seig Heils and hear ‘Heil Hitler’ I make an assumption they have Nazi tendencies - when the people around them just cheer this on then I assume they don’t disagree with the gestures and Nazi overtones.
Ditto for racism and any other ism.
If you’re not a Nazi or racist or anything else ‘ist’ then don’t throw your lot in with those who are and I, and others, won’t assume the same of you (I use ‘you’ in the plural sense, not personally to you btw).

It’s not right, but it’s hardly surprising, is it? After all the shit black and Asian people have been put through at the hands of white people over centuries, but suddenly white people are the victims.

It’s analogous to an abusive relationship where the perpetrator subjects a victim to sustained abuse, and then when they fight back, it’s suddenly wrong 😂

I totally get it, and I’m a white person. I have never been racially abused in my life but every black person I know has.

What does that have to do with anything?

Some people are racist so you should be too? You are ridiculous!

In your OP you were going on about Nazi Germany. It’s such a boring trope at this point. It’s been said so many times it’s become meaningless.

Ofcourse there are British men who are abusive but they choose that path against the values of the country they live in.
How would you go about protecting women from the immigrants who come from countries where the normal cultures/values are that women are worthless second class citizens to be used as men see fit and LGBT people are not recognised or tolerated.

Absolutely agree!

If you support someone like Tommy Robinson and want to paste flags all over the place to make people feel scared - you’re a disgusting racist. 💯 Shame on the lot of you!

A lot of black and Asian people are racist as fuck. That’s a fact no one wants to talk about.

See this is the issue that really bloody irks me. People are voting for/ supporting causes based on limited knowledge, complete and utter nonsense and misinformation.

It’s one thing to respect someone else’s opinion, but not all opinions are equal when many people base their views on bullshit. How is someone supposed to have a reasonable debate?

There are many Christian churches in Muslim countries, so you are wrong on that score straight away. It literally takes a five second google search.

I honestly despair for this country. The shithole we’re going down all in the name of greed, corruption and large scale manipulation by billionaires is so utterly deplorable and depressing. It’s being fallen for hook, line and sinker.

Yet again calling a large group of people Nazis and racists 🙄 Don’t you realise this is what is driving people to hate the current government?

I find this very odd, because I (a white British person), and most of my white British friends I speak to about the issue, have concerns about population numbers on our smallish island, but all of us do what we can by volunteering and working and even going on protests to support sustainability, alleviate poverty, save the NHS, increase social housing, etc..
Not one of us has considered rallying in support of the founder of EDL to listen to racist conspiracy theories as a solution. Why on earth would we, if we're not racist conspiracy theorists?

I can think that sometimes people join in things they don’t fully agree with for a bigger unifying cause. I can’t imagine marching alongside a known violent, racist thug ever, for anything, as such an association is a step too far for any decent person.
If you have issues with immigration form your own non racist lobbies, marches etc, though do those for Parliament and not outside hotels. Standing outside hotels telling those inside to go home and slinging racist slurs is abhorrent, and only reiterates the opinion you are actually racist.
The people I saw on the March in London and at a hotel last week were people Seig Heiling, telling us they hoped us (or our children) got raped and throwing stuff, unreasonably right wing and racist imo. If I had been the quiet one at the back of those protests, that apparently everyone was (odd) I’d have been disgusted and gone home to review more reasonable options than following this gang of grifting racists.
You sit down with rats and get up with fleas is very true. Disassociate from these known racists and maybe your ‘concerns’ will be taken more seriously.

It was the predicted result of Brexit, surely?