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MsTamborineMan · 01/10/2025 10:13

scorpiogirly · 30/09/2025 23:08

Sick of these types of posts. No they're not racist. No we're not a racist country. They were just normal people there standing up against losing our whole identity. Mothers, fathers, grandparents. Plenty of non white people there too. Muslims. Black people. Go watch the video of the Muslim lady who went to the rally alone, expecting to get racially abused, only to find she was kindly accepted.

Must be nice to hold such views from up there on that high horse.

There's nothing about being a father, mother or grandparents that means you can't be racist. Normal people is a ridiculous term, everyone is a normal person. Racists are still normal people. That doesn't make their opinions okay, and they don't speak for the majority of British people. The term "ordinary British people" is weaponised by the far right to make their unpleasant views appealing and more acceptable. But it doesn't change the fact they are racist

Muslim people can still be racist, maybe foolish to go to a Tommy Robinson march as a Muslim, but you can still be racist.

You go to a racist protest, you endorse racist views, you are therefore a racist.

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Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 01/10/2025 10:08

BruisedNeckMeat · 01/10/2025 09:45

People have been warning for years that if nobody listens to legitimate concerns about mass immigration, then someone further to the right than you would want, will step in. This is now happening and the left are in shock.

People are following TR because nobody else is listening.

I’m not in shock. I’ve experienced enough racism in childhood and adulthood to simply view this as the natural cycle of racism in the UK. Racism never went away, it is just becoming acceptable again to openly express racist sentiment and hatred of foreigners.

You can have legitimate concerns about mass immigration without aligning with Tommy Robinson. But if you can justify aligning with a known racist and extemist because of your legitimate concerns on a single issue, you would have likely found ways to justify aligning with the Nazi party - who did address very legitimate concerns about the dire state of Germany’s economy and suffering as a result of that…

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MsTamborineMan · 01/10/2025 10:03

waltzingparrot · 30/09/2025 22:35

You don't actually think that everyone on the march is a supporter of Tommy Robinson and his beliefs do you?

Surely you understand that many thousands of people piggybacked the date/route for a myriad of reasons but united in showing the Government the strength of feeling, that they are not happy with immigration policy/have genuine concerns at the speed/ lack of infrastructure support around immigration numbers.

So you would be wrong to say, because they were on TR's march, they are racist.

And my boss was on the march. He can't stand Tommy Robinson but he was there to let Kier Starmer know that he will never stop him flying the English flag on the streets of England!

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Your boss is just telling you he hates Tommy Robinson to seem less of a racist. If he genuinely hated him he wouldn't have supported his protest, stood in the crowd and listened to his/others racist speeches.

Tommy Robinson is a racist. If you go to his march, you support his views. Adding your body to that protest is adding weight behind his opinion. That is the point of a protest.

You can't go to a protest and say "I'm actually protesting for something else". It wasn't a protest about genuine concerns around infrastructure not matching immigration levels

Cornflakes44 · 01/10/2025 10:02

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 14:58

AIBU to think that if you attended the Unite the Kingdom rally and/or displayed English flags because Tommy Robinson told you to- the racists in the linked video are your people and you are either a racist or complicit with racism.

A black YouTuber went in disguise to the rally and had no difficulties finding racists happy to openly air their views:

My husband often hears similar comments to those in the video from ordinary local white people who feel comfortable and mistake him as one of them, but don’t realise he’s married to a brown person.

Just because you agree with the views of a racist organisation or cause on a single issue, does not make it ok to join that racist organisation or cause. In the same way believing in a free Palestine does not make it ok to join Hamas.’ Dissatisfaction with post WW1 reparations and sanctions did not make it ok for Germans to endorse the Nazi party. Anger about economic policies does not make it ok for Americans to vote Trump. If you want to join those causes over a single issue, you should admit that you are in fact a terrorist/ racist/ xenophobic.

YABU- it’s unfair to call someone racist just because they have marched with Tommy Robinson or hung flags in support of his movement

YANBU- you cannot support a racist/xenophobic movement without actually being racist/ xenophobic

I completely agree. Tommy Robinson is so rabidly racist that even if he speaks to your concerns about immigration then if you’re genuinely not a racist you wouldn’t want anything to do with him.

HennieGirl · 01/10/2025 10:00

BruisedNeckMeat · 01/10/2025 09:45

People have been warning for years that if nobody listens to legitimate concerns about mass immigration, then someone further to the right than you would want, will step in. This is now happening and the left are in shock.

People are following TR because nobody else is listening.

Yep, you need to listen to this OP

HennieGirl · 01/10/2025 09:59

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 21:37

Well I used brown ironically- it’s not something you should do unless you are an ethnic minority.

And actually, I do think white people can experience racist comments. But I question your story when expressed in the tone-deaf way you did. I also don’t believe racism impacts white people in the same way it does ethnic minorities - because history and the balance of racial power is important. Similar to how men do not experience the impact of sexism in the same way women do, although they can be on the receiving end of sexist comments.

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You do realise white people are an ethnic minority in other countries, don't you?

You're being ridiculous and people like you are part of a wider problem pushing more and more towards reform.

SpaceRaccoon · 01/10/2025 09:56

Mumsnet is a fertile ground for white fragility, and weaponised white women's tears

These phrases already have a very dated ring to them.

Spookyspaghetti · 01/10/2025 09:55

BruisedNeckMeat · 01/10/2025 09:45

People have been warning for years that if nobody listens to legitimate concerns about mass immigration, then someone further to the right than you would want, will step in. This is now happening and the left are in shock.

People are following TR because nobody else is listening.

I disagree. I think the failing has been to constantly pander to bigots over decades and try to make them feel heard in order to win votes. I’m really glad that Keir Starmer called out Reform’s policies as racist. The only way to keep negative ideologies that end in violence, and murder in check is to call them out as such. The reason people are so proud to be racist at the moment (let’s not conflate racism with patriotism for a change) is from all this babying and pandering.

Annoyeddd · 01/10/2025 09:54

Abhannmor · 01/10/2025 08:23

I think op is nbu. But yeah the xenophobia is more widespread. Hatred of Irish and Jewish people is certainly heard less these days for example. But it's hidden beneath a thin crust. Sadly for these morons , many of the people they hate can't be deported as their grandparents came to Britain in the 1950s. Or earlier indeed.

Isn't Tommy Robinson (or rather Stephen yaxley-lennon) Irish - or at least half Irish and I bet he has used that to get himself an EU passport.

Timeforabitofpeace · 01/10/2025 09:52

@Dannydevitoiloveyourartit is learned behaviour! I remember when we lived next door to a mixed race child, ds son denied the child was black. Why don’t you think so, I wanted to know. Because a different child had asked him, and he said he wasn’t. Job done! Aside from the need of that poor child to deny being black, it never occurred to my son and others to question it . It was invisible and immaterial. The same for a mixed race flatmate of mine with a black mother, in the late 1970s, who had as a child to go home to actually check their parent wasn’t white, because they hadn’t noticed.

Spookyspaghetti · 01/10/2025 09:51

xanthomelana · 30/09/2025 20:42

You can believe more than one thing as I do, I genuinely do believe Palestine should be free and we are witnessing genocide but I equally don’t want uncontrolled immigration. Those two things are opposite ends of the political spectrum so I don’t fit in your boxes unfortunately.

Also I believe I have no business telling Americans who they should vote for, if you don’t live there you have no idea what it’s like and what motives them to vote for anyone.

I know an awful lot of people with similar views to mine so I don’t think it’s as simple as racist or not racist. As for the YouTuber, he probably could have found plenty of people who didn’t share the racist views of the people he interviewed but that didn’t fit the agenda, I’ve seen videos of people from all backgrounds that attended the march but that seems to have been ignored on this particular occasion.

But if he found people in the crowd whose views ‘didn’t fit’ then they were still marching alongside the racists showing them their support.

There are lots of situations in life where just not doing anything, or showing tacit support for a course of action is just not good enough. That’s why parents can go to prison for failing to prevent the death of a child even if they weren’t the one perpetrating the abuse.

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Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 01/10/2025 09:46

Winteriscoming80 · 01/10/2025 09:43

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Yes Syria is currently destabilised but the point remains that the poster could not even be bothered to check the most simple facts about the existence of churches in Muslim countries. And are you suggesting that we treat Mosques in a similar way here? Not sure what your point is there.

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BruisedNeckMeat · 01/10/2025 09:45

People have been warning for years that if nobody listens to legitimate concerns about mass immigration, then someone further to the right than you would want, will step in. This is now happening and the left are in shock.

People are following TR because nobody else is listening.

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Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 01/10/2025 09:44

BeardofHagrid · 01/10/2025 09:29

If we believe in tolerance and diversity for all, even former members of the Taliban, then we can be nice to Reform voters too ❤️

Who is talking about Reform here? This thread is specifically about peoples supporting the march, hanging flags e.g. supporters of Tommy Robinson’s movements and rallies. Even the lovely, tolerant Nigel Farage has denounced those…

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Winteriscoming80 · 01/10/2025 09:43

soulofmysoul · 01/10/2025 08:22

How many British ‘Christian’s’ visit a church? They are practically empty in this country so why would you want to build them but to answer your question. There are huge Christian communities in Arab countries living side by side. Egypt having the largest, around 10 million and up to 5,000 churches. Even Syria has over a 1000 churches and a big Christian community so you are wrong.

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Flag bearers, marchers- these are your (white) people…

Timeforabitofpeace · 01/10/2025 09:43

The likes of Farage and Robinson have done an evil thing, gaslighting people into think that people from other nations are the cause of all their ills and shortages. Obviously, they aren’t. But it suits big business and some government to allow the view to proliferate, and is the perfect answer to those seeking better pay and services. “Look, they took it. Don’t look here “. Even when “they” are contributing enormously to the economy and perhaps you aren’t.

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Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 01/10/2025 09:37

ChrisMartinsKisskam · 01/10/2025 08:47

Probably because sadly they seem to be the only ones listening about immigration about people fears of immigration

The word racist has lost its power because does used to shut people down talking about anything

don’t agree with me … your racist
say xyz your racist
go on a march your racist

when it’s used pretty much every day it’s loses its real meaning

a lot of people don’t care if they are called racist ( years ago they did - it was one of the worse words you could use )

I’m a brown person born in England and grew up in a very very white area with lots of white friends and family and I have lots of brown family and friends as well

and to be perfectly honest I haven’t encountered any direct racism at myself - personally growing up

but neither do I go looking for it or think that every little look or remark I get i get is racist

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don’t agree with me … your racist
say xyz your racist
go on a march your racist

No one has said the first two. And yes if you go on a racist march organised by a racist then you are likely racist.

We we all have different experiences of racism. I grew up in the only black family in a white deprived area. (Extreme) racism was a daily occurrence- I didn’t have to go looking for it. It was unavoidable due to my distinct skin colour.

These days I’m less likely to be called the n word (like in my childhood), and more likely to be told I’ve taken a white person’s job, or to go home, or that I’m not British. To me those aren’t little comments but display actual hatred of my existence here simply because my skin is different.

Why do you suggest racism is on the rise because people go looking for it? Did my 9 year old go looking for racism when called the n word by a child while we were on a UK holiday this summer? What about when he was told by another group of children that he couldn’t play with them because he was brown? I had to intervene in both instances- with the group comment, I had to involve the parents. They were apologetic but denied their children had ever heard of racism before (p.s kids always hear it from the parents or other family members because in my experience, racism is learnt behaviour and not innate in children).

Can you give examples of the little remarks and looks that people mistake for racism?

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BeardofHagrid · 01/10/2025 09:29

If we believe in tolerance and diversity for all, even former members of the Taliban, then we can be nice to Reform voters too ❤️

Ginandthings · 01/10/2025 09:23

The issue is that the discussion is being shutdown, people then get annoyed, want to show their feelings and rather than looking at it as there are a lot of unhappy people it becomes a game of insults and forces people to attend events to show their frustration.
I’m not racist but I am against uncontrolled immigration and a lack of integration, there’s a literal cost for those things (not just hotels but translation services, heath care etc) and also a hidden cost in that our society changes beyond all recognition.
Who’s willing to discuss those issues properly because all I’ve seen so far is name calling rather than a willingness to listen to people’s concerns.

Snead808 · 01/10/2025 09:23

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 21:37

Well I used brown ironically- it’s not something you should do unless you are an ethnic minority.

And actually, I do think white people can experience racist comments. But I question your story when expressed in the tone-deaf way you did. I also don’t believe racism impacts white people in the same way it does ethnic minorities - because history and the balance of racial power is important. Similar to how men do not experience the impact of sexism in the same way women do, although they can be on the receiving end of sexist comments.

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If you think it is offensive for white people to say 'brown people' then why is it ok for you to say 'white people'. White people also come from all sorts of different cultures and demographics, many of whom have also been marginalised in the past. But I guess only you can take offense and decide on the rules of what is appropriate? For the record, I don't take offense to being called a white person, but I can't believe you referred to brown people in your post and then call someone else out for using the same term. You can't make it up. I'm so sick of these double standards and people like you drive the divide further.

NewDayNewColour · 01/10/2025 09:19

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 21:03

Of course she was…

And unless you are brown, I suggest you are more specific about race otherwise it comes across like you can’t be bothered to identify which race and lump Asian, African and all ethnicities in between together. I use brown because to racists, my race doesn’t matter as long as it’s not white.

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@Dannydevitoiloveyourartgrow up. You're doing the same thing so don't call others out on it

BeardofHagrid · 01/10/2025 09:18

HerewardtheSleepy · 01/10/2025 08:52

Anyone who went on that march is a piece of vermin. End of.

Would you advocate for violence to be used against them?

Boomer55 · 01/10/2025 09:13

IAintAfraidOfNoGoat · 30/09/2025 21:06

This.

The holier than thou approach by the left is pushing more and more to reform.

Insults and shutting down discussion have become the MO, and it’s playing right into opportunist Farage’s hands.

What a shit show.

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Yes, all these accusations of racism just wind people up and push them towards Reform. Defeats the object.

AngelinaFibres · 01/10/2025 09:10

childofthe607080s · 01/10/2025 09:05

Offs - I am not saying i expect people to listen to me

I am saying that some people won’t have seen all angles and are open to discussion

and maybes if you were prepared to talk you might also understand why people act they way they do better and make you better able to see solutions

And are you hoping to listen to their viewpoint and experiences and understand why they feel as they do . Or are you just right.

childofthe607080s · 01/10/2025 09:05

Offs - I am not saying i expect people to listen to me

I am saying that some people won’t have seen all angles and are open to discussion

and maybes if you were prepared to talk you might also understand why people act they way they do better and make you better able to see solutions