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My 16 yo has taken a job that has turned out to voluntary!

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Lemurlady · 30/09/2025 10:52

My 16 yo DS has taken what he thought was a paid job at our local swimming club as a poolside helper with a view to doing his coaching qualifications. He had to do his DBS and a 3 hour safeguarding course in his own time. He has done his first month (2.5hours/week) and asked when he was getting paid. He has been told it’s voluntary for 6 months and after that they will decide whether to take him on at £8/hour. It was never mentioned in any of the email correspondence that it was unpaid. He did not sign a contract and got the gig because he used to swim at the club and reached out to them. AIBU to expect him to be paid for the hours he has done and in thinking this is very exploitative as it would seem the only way into coaching is to work for free for 6 months. Is it even legal?

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lechatnoir · 30/09/2025 13:47

You can't do the Swim England coaching qualification until you are 18 so he's not going to be a qualified coach until then and this club (like many) are taking the piss.
If he wants to make some money and swimming is his thing, I'd recommend he considers lifeguarding or swimming teaching as these can be done at 16 and pay well (I'm in the SE and lifeguards are c.£15ph teachers £18-22ph). Our local leisure centre run courses for both a couple of times a year and if you commit to 5+ hours a week (paid) for 6 months you get the course free. Not sure where you are but happy to give you details

Balhambanana · 30/09/2025 13:45

Total exploitation and sadly it’s happening more often these days. I know of a local cafe that recruits teenagers for trial shift weekends , then ghosts them. They NEVER have the same staff on a weekend as they just have a stream of free trial shift kids, one after another. No one has a contract, nobody is given a job .

Lemurlady · 30/09/2025 13:37

Sartre · 30/09/2025 12:42

I’m shocked they made him pay for his own DBS, never experienced this in any role voluntary or otherwise. They also clearly haven’t been transparent. I’d stop bothering if I were him.

They paid for his DBS

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MeridianB · 30/09/2025 13:31

First of all you should be really proud of him for finding and signing up to this - he sounds like he's got a great work ethic.

Perhaps he misunderstood, perhaps they could/should have been clearer. But six months is a long time for them to decide he has the right stuff - I suspect they would know within six weeks. I would go and have a chat with the head coach and clarify everything, including what they will pay him once the six months is up. I'd want to see their written policy on this so you can assess whether it's real or just some scammy behaviour.

Can you afford to give him some cash to recognise his effort in the voluntary period?

incognitomouse · 30/09/2025 13:29

I think they are taking the piss. Maybe a couple of sessions unpaid but 6 months? That's unrealistic and very unfair.

spicetails · 30/09/2025 13:27

The utter cheeky fuckers

Treeseys · 30/09/2025 13:26

Oh and my children did volunteer in an unpaid role at our tennis club to help out, it was not towards a coaching qualification, just helping out a coach they loved.
Lots of children have done it over the years.
It was crystal clear it was a volunteering role for 3 months with under 10's and they actually enjoyed it.
They knew what it was about, signed up, and were happy to do it.
No confusion whatsoever.
Very poor to mislead.

ohyesido · 30/09/2025 13:21

They are taking advantage of him. The fact that they didn’t mention it to him directly indicates a shady practice

Theboymolefoxandhorse · 30/09/2025 13:15

Lemurlady · 30/09/2025 13:02

Thanks for your reply. Some of the helpers have been there for a while and get paid. He wants to go to university but would like to get a coaching qualification done alongside his A levels so he can coach alongside his degree. He’s only in year 12 but if he has to volunteer for 6 months I’m not sure he’ll have time to finish before A levels start. With regards to volunteering, I agree it has value but he already volunteers for an animal charity and has done for 2+ years. I think, being 16, he was excited thinking he had his first job and was naive to the process.

If your son will let you I would go through all their communication and see if there was anywhere that it seemed like this could be a paid job. If some of the other poolside helpers are paid then it does muddy the waters and I can see why he would also think he would be paid - but as you say they’ve been there for longer and probably have done their 6 months volunteering before payments. I suspect this is the only way it could be taken further if there was an intention to mislead, however there is someone on the thread with a background of employment law so they might offer other advice.

It sounds like your son is doing a great job with becoming a well rounded individual as well as good experience for CV - well done

If he only needed the job for money and has plenty of other experience then agree that he may as well find another job hopefully coaching swimming, if he can get one before his A levels start. You could point out that there was no evidence of it being a voluntary role and that’s why he’s had to leave and He can still use it as a reference

mcmuffin22 · 30/09/2025 13:11

In our swim club, the head coach gets paid (and it is a full time job as about two thirds is admin) but all other coaches are voluntary although they do get money off either their or their kids memberships. Also the club pays for their coaching or teaching qualifications in exchange for their time. I am a committee member and know that the club only breaks even or at a push makes a few hundred profit per year. There are lots of teenagers who are poolside helpers for their d of e volunteering.

If you think the club have been underhand you could contact Swim England who the club will be affiliated to.

PinkFrogss · 30/09/2025 13:10

Theboymolefoxandhorse · 30/09/2025 13:00

out Of interest and I mean this genuinely, if there has been no contract actually signed and no mention of payment and no mention of it being voluntary- where does the OP and her son stand with employment law? How can anyone prove that the other party has done anything wrong annd there hasn’t been a misunderstanding. Especially if as many people have previously said volunteering in sports settings is incredibly common.

The lack of written contract doesn’t prove anything, otherwise loads of dodgy employers would never issue contracts to try and get around employment law.

HedwigEliza · 30/09/2025 13:06

What an absolute piss-take. Someone’s doing the job, they’re entitled to be paid for doing the job.

MayaPinion · 30/09/2025 13:05

My DD is a volunteer coach at her trampoline club in common with about 80% of the team. The difference is that she knew it was volunteering and they paid for her DBS and coaching qualification. Your 16yo is being exploited and I would advise him to stop going - effective immediately.

nosleepforme · 30/09/2025 13:04

They never discussed pay? Or signed anything? Sounds wrong.
in which case they’d both be at fault, but I’d blame them! He’s 16, he didn’t know, and if they didn’t make it clear that’s exploitation

Lemurlady · 30/09/2025 13:02

Theboymolefoxandhorse · 30/09/2025 12:48

But he wasn’t hired as a coach. He was taken on as a pool side helper with a view to do his coaching qualifications. I think @Lemurlady means that whilst your son was at the swim club there would likely have been pool side helpers who were volunteers who’s help he has benefited from.

I 100% agree it should have been clear this was a non paid role and I don’t agree with the “we will pay you after 6 months if you’re good enough” - it should be a set time and then you get paid unless you fail your probation. However there has also been an oversight on your/ your sons part in taking a job without a contract, not asking explicitly what the hourly rate was and waiting until he’d worked a month (albeit only 10 hrs) to discuss this. Like others say, chalk it up to experience.

What is your son’s future goals ? If he wants to go into coaching and will get a qualification then it may well be worth sticking at it unless there’s other places that will give him a paid job to do similar. For university applications or any future job a DBS, safeguarding qualification and at least 6 months work experience will be invaluable and more than most 16 year olds will have access to. I’m not saying it’s right but for those saying quit and walk out right now without anything else to go to, I think it’s worth looking at the non monetary value of this “job”

Thanks for your reply. Some of the helpers have been there for a while and get paid. He wants to go to university but would like to get a coaching qualification done alongside his A levels so he can coach alongside his degree. He’s only in year 12 but if he has to volunteer for 6 months I’m not sure he’ll have time to finish before A levels start. With regards to volunteering, I agree it has value but he already volunteers for an animal charity and has done for 2+ years. I think, being 16, he was excited thinking he had his first job and was naive to the process.

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Theboymolefoxandhorse · 30/09/2025 13:00

waterrat · 30/09/2025 12:53

Hi Op i have a background in human rights law and reading this INCENSES me.

This is a situation where you step in and teach him about employment rights.

This organisation should be publically shamed - I would go to the local paper - I would go to my local MP - definitely local cllrs.

Its disgusting - they are abusing the lack of understanding of a teenager - please don't let this continue.

out Of interest and I mean this genuinely, if there has been no contract actually signed and no mention of payment and no mention of it being voluntary- where does the OP and her son stand with employment law? How can anyone prove that the other party has done anything wrong annd there hasn’t been a misunderstanding. Especially if as many people have previously said volunteering in sports settings is incredibly common.

babyproblems · 30/09/2025 12:57

He should not work without a contract!!

ForCheeryTealDeer · 30/09/2025 12:55

I would choose to walk away. Six months is a long time to work without pay, and there’s no guarantee of a job at the end, they could simply say he wasn’t needed or didn’t perform well enough. This might even be part of their business model. I’d also consider reporting it to the local council, as they tend to take employment exploitation seriously, especially when it involves minors. Also, HMRC (Minimum Wage Enforcement) if someone is working and not being paid at least minimum wage, even during "training" or "trial" periods, this can be illegal.

waterrat · 30/09/2025 12:54

For those saying this can fairly be a voluntary role.

it is the duty of this organisation to make that EXTREMELY clear when taking on a volunteer - he should have gone through volunteer training - he should have signed agreements and understanding of what the role involves.

If he is left unaware to the point he asked when he gets paid - they have not done any of this properly.

childofthe607080s · 30/09/2025 12:53

Hankunamatata · 30/09/2025 12:50

But your dc has no coaching experience of qualifications.
Surely he needs to do some volunteer coaching to get experience and qualifications before he looks for a wage.

Or he could look for a low paid job that doesn’t require experience and qualifications- like what he thought he had

no one should have to volunteer to get experience

waterrat · 30/09/2025 12:53

Hi Op i have a background in human rights law and reading this INCENSES me.

This is a situation where you step in and teach him about employment rights.

This organisation should be publically shamed - I would go to the local paper - I would go to my local MP - definitely local cllrs.

Its disgusting - they are abusing the lack of understanding of a teenager - please don't let this continue.

Tubestrike · 30/09/2025 12:52

I would be concerned at the lack of any paperwork, what about insurance, is he covered if anything goes wrong.

AngelicKaty · 30/09/2025 12:50

Lemurlady · 30/09/2025 11:58

Thanks for this I looked this up on the gov.uk website and it says if there’s a promise of paid work then this potentially counts as employment and as so you entitled to minimum wage. I’m going to contact acas for clarity.

This is what ACAS' website says OP: https://www.acas.org.uk/young-workers-and-work-experience/working-hours-during-work-experience so I definitely think they are a good place to start. Please let us know what they say, as this could be helpful to other mums of older teenagers. Best of luck.

Work experience - Pay and hours for young workers - Acas

Rights on working hours, rest breaks and pay for people doing work experience or an internship.

https://www.acas.org.uk/young-workers-and-work-experience/working-hours-during-work-experience

Theboymolefoxandhorse · 30/09/2025 12:50

Also think you should look at @BigCitys post re other places that he could get paid work and sorry @BigCity youve struggled with getting the support your child needs with swimming 🤍

Hankunamatata · 30/09/2025 12:50

But your dc has no coaching experience of qualifications.
Surely he needs to do some volunteer coaching to get experience and qualifications before he looks for a wage.