To think putting vat on private healthcare when many people use it because the NHS won't treat them is monstrously cruel

Except they onjh got public support for that because they lied!

If we are taxing education then damn right we shoukd be taxing everything else that isn't provided by the state because that's the argument thrown at me for last 2 years: "just choose the state provided option". So therefore we should only be allowed whats provided by the state, you are free to choose other things but there is a standard tax applicable to everything.

That would be "fair" and equitable.

Not quite. And, I object to both, fwiw, but the Labour Manifesto included tax on private education and then they went on to win the general election. There was a mandate for this policy.

So, yes, those feelings might be the drivers of the disparity but, politically, Labour were on firmer ground with the former.

Not all independent SS cost that much. For example, More House doesn’t and has around 30% self funding without EHCPs. Although there are some independent SS who cost a significant sum of money who have or have recently had self funders. For example, Chelsea Hall School.

No you're allowed one. If anything I'd encourage you to get one. You'd just have to pay the annual tax.

Looking at it logically rather than emotively (difficult as the far-right media take over only talks to fear) … they are both luxury services where a free at the point of access provision is available - even if flawed. So the same arguments apply to both and VAT should be applied to both.
The only difference is school VAT was being applied to ‘others’ whereas private healthcare is more widely used and would apply to ‘us’. Hence the only identifiable difference is a lack of compassion/ selfishness. And we’ve circled back to an emotion driven reason.

Schrodinger's education: independent schools are simultaneously a luxury and bestow privilege whilst at same time have a lower standard of teaching, unqualified teachers, contain horrible spoiled entitled brats, are awful for bullying and get worse outcomes than state schools 🤣🤣

FYI they aren't a "luxury" for the 130k+ SEND DC who are there because of the failures in state schools! For some of those children, those schools are the difference between getting an education or not.
This is a tax on SEND as well as education and the fact you support that says a lot about you!

FYI again because some are obviously hard of understanding: VAT isn't a luxury tax.

Charge the VAT upfront.

Goodness, are people who live in an urban setting no allowed a dog anymore as they are not going to be a 'working dog' are they? So no cigarettes, gambling, what next!

Other things that weren't going to happen:

Additional tax on workers
A wfa u turn
A grooming gang u turn
A welfare cuts u turn

What a ridiculous point of view, people are taking out bank loans for treatment because they are scared and desperate.

85%

Exactly this. I am opposed to VAT on education but as most people support that, then I support VAT on private healthcare which I don’t use. It should also be added to uni fees and nursery fees. Of course this is madness but so many supported the disgusting VAT on education so now everything elitist should have it added.

I dont agree with tax on education or private healthcare

Both state systems are not fit for purpose anymore. Particularly school sen provision

If people want to shorten wait lists and go private I say go for it There should be no taxes on healthcare ever.

It’s not happening so not sure what the point of the thread is.

The wankypoo breed’s or whatever they are would definitely be double taxed.

Working dogs, tax exempt.

Healthcare can be the difference between life and death. Private education is a luxury and completely different.

Ahh, you’re one of those ‘label and blame people’ rather than using your brain to try and understand the situation. Feel free not to tax yourself by trying to engage intelligently.

Exactly. Link it to the specific skills shortages at the time.
Ideologically if you tax education then the next step is healthcare.

The laugh is that the posters on here who are opposed to taxing heslthcare are using sane arguments as we did against taxing education. They just can't see the irony. Because for some warped dystopian reason some people believe that the education of children isn't good and that independent schools are the most harmful thing in the country. They are way more harmful than vapes/gambling etc

I don't know any self funder for SS place. My child's school does not self finders. Fees are usually sky high, easily 80-100k per annum. Who can possibly afford that esp with a child with complex needs???

It’s a stupid idea. If you put vat on private healthcare, there’ll be a massive drop in demand, and those people will flood to the NHS.

If anything we should be encouraging more people to go private.

Student loans already don’t get paid off by a lot of people, though. VAT on university fees would just make this worse - who would actually benefit?

How much for Medieval Dance?

As poster a little while ago. Labour supporters going like to spend other peoples money. They know they might need to use private healthcare in the future.

You are assuming the people here objecting to Vat on healthcare weren't also objecting to Vat charges on education.