To think putting vat on private healthcare when many people use it because the NHS won't treat them is monstrously cruel

To get a bank loan your credit rating needs to be good, to borrow/be gifted money from your parents/family, they have to have it to begin with, you are living in a bubble if you think this constitutes hardship.

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imposing VAT on private healthcare and on VAT on private school fees are both wrong IMHO. Both types of service are needed in many cases because of failures in public taxpayer funded services.
And keeping both relatively more accessible (than would be if govt adds on VAT) would actually save the taxpayer money and also provide jobs.

I vote Labour and I see a lot of hypocrisy from this govt. They went in gung ho for VAT on private schools, despite in reality it not raising any VAT money for state schools (costing them more in fact as so many kids had to leave private for state, added to which many of whom have SEND so cost more than standard state school pupil to support).
I don’t like hypocrisy in government so the government should revoke the VAT on private schools.

I don't understand are you providing that example as an affordable option as to pay £6000 a year for education is still not an option for most of the country who don't send their children to private school.

It will have come from the Labour Party. It is a standard way to test their ideas out pre-budget.

Yes, just as it was monstrously cruel to put VAT in private school fees when many people have SEN or other needs for their children which they couldn’t obtain support for in the state sector… also not rich people, many of those took out bank loans/asked family to help fund it too.

Those who are pro labour on this thread, did you vote for them based on everything that was in their manifesto?

Many have mentioned that private school fees were a big part of why people supported them. So did you agree with all of their manifesto? is that why you supported them?

"Independent schools are categorically for those with money"
Except that's incorrect and you know it. That may have been your single experience of 1 school but it doesn't reflect the whole sector ie 25% on fee assistance.
A local independent near us charges 6K per YEAR.

Wait until you see what Reform have planned for healthcare, you'll love it!

I think the problem is Starmer has no beliefs he just blows with wind. Funny how he has stopped talking about the £20bn black hole now that Rachel has increased it to £40bn. Reeves has started to blame economic damage - too right the economic damage she did when she increased NI and pulled the emergency brake on employment growth.

Because Labour lied about the figures and impact. They sold it as "kill the rich" policy and then gaslit everyone. They ran it on incredibly divise language which Phillipsob continues to use. They try to drag us back to 1960s class warfare.

That's why some people supported it. I'm not sure there's any evidence that people voted Labour ij specifically for this policy? Majority just wanted Tories gone and would have voted for Labour if the manifesto had been a blank piece of paper.

Independent schools are categorically for those with money, I wouldn't say "Elitist" as there are some crap prep schools out there. I voted Greens so it isn't really something I considered but I wouldn't consider private school for my kids anyway as I went to one and didn't enjoy it.

Exactly. It fundamentally cones down to "do you think education is a public good"? Which is why education was previously zero rated, because the principle across Europe was that it is.
Labour don't follow that principle so in the aspect of fairness and equality that principle should be removed across the board. Otherwise it's not fair is it, it's just targeting 1 small group of children based on the type of school they go to.

I know they did, your point being? I didn't know I was describing your "merit good" principle. There is an alternative for private school I suppose that is why.

Of course they won't. It is amazing how quickly posters get their knickers in a twist when a tax proposal could affect them or their kids. Labour can only cope with spending other peoples money.

To think putting vat on private healthcare when many people use it because the NHS won't treat them is monstrously cruel

I've not heard anyone say this other than you.

We might be better off discussing what Reform might do with the NHS and how treatment might be given and how this would affect the person in the street, their children and parents.

Nigel Farage HAS mentioned changes and implied an having insurance based system like the US.

He said it would still be free at the point of delivery but does not want the NHS funded through general taxation.

My parents have had new joints. Some privately some on the NHS. Private because they paid into BUPA. Once in their 80s the rates shot up. So the differences.....
Private - carpet in a single room, cups of tea for visitors. Quieter hospital. Probably better meals.
NHS - in a ward, but there is company. Nurses a bit more rushed. No biscuits or carpet.

In terms of knees, healing etc etc no significant difference.

My Mum probably got her first, private, knee a little sooner and on a date to suit her.

Why? Education Tax is making independent schools MORE elitist and widening the inequality gap. Isn't that why you support it?

Considering that students make up a substantial proportion of the Labour base of course they wouldn’t do it. It would be like the Tories slapping tax rises on private schools and red corduroy trousers.

Quite. To be clear I'm not pro vat on university, I am pro tax on dogs but I think that is unlikely to happen as people are weird about dogs. But I think it is bizare to treat one version of fee paying education different to another fee paying education. Either you think education should be taxed or you don't.

I think we should go further and have a tax for those privileged enough to afford to send their DC to the best state schools.
If you can afford a £2M house in best catchments then you can afford a 2K tax per year. To fund state schools in deprived areas.

But it would mean even more people who are on the lowest incomes, I don't think wealth inequality being stretched even wider would help society.

Who can afford mainstream private? Not many. My kids’s school is £22k. It takes up half of my salary. But it’s still cheaper than giving up work to home educate as that was the only other option. VAT on schools for SEN kids is just the same as VAT on healthcare. The public is funding to get around the unacceptably poor state run service. It would be fine if all of those with SEN needs were exempt from VAT on self funded school fees, but they’re not..

Labour were the ones who saw education as an opportunity to raise money (cough cough). Why stop at independent schools? Raise more money by taxing all education. Now you've removed the "merit good" principle.

I don't know what the stats are, what are they? Even if we do, I disagree that's bad for society.

No, while children do not vote their parents do. The electoral calculus for Labour was in favour of taxing private education and heavily against taxing higher education.