Digital ID needs to be resisted, surely?

I'm surprised you're surprised by that.
Can't see the problem myself, our lives could be and are monitored already, it's irrelevant whether it's centralised or not.
If people behaved better that's surely a good thing?

I'm completely ambivalent about it.

I'm fully aware that the government, councils, financial institutions, retail organisations and probably criminals ( via account hacking) have already got access to all my personal details, where I shop, what I buy, where I travel, what my medical issues are, what my income is and where it's derived.
When I was assessed to be a family foster carer I had to divulge to social services an incredible amount of personal information about my life, family, relationships, beliefs, ethics, politics which are all kept for either 75 or 25 years, no doubt they will be digitised already or at some point.
I don't have Facebook or social media like that so my life can't be seen on there, but millions of people put their family's every move, plaster photos and videos of their young children who have not consented to that all over it. Probably some of those people are frothing about digital ID because they've seen it on Tiktok.
If I walk past a CCTV camera my movements can be tracked.
If anyone is arrested their phone and devices are seized and every website they've visited and all their messages can be seen.

So to worry about what else will be available about me on a digital ID seems to me to be completely pointless.

There you go everyone. Is this paranoia?

And fucking Tony Blair? 🫩

To be honest, I think you are vastly overestimating government (of any stripe) efficiency. It would mean a massive investment in cutting edge IT/AI and infrastructure to do this. Have you never noticed how antiquated government IT systems tend to be?

Not at all. You're in for a shock if you really believe this isn't in the pipeline.

I'm completely ambivalent about it.

I'm fully aware that the government, councils, financial institutions, retail organisations and probably criminals ( via account hacking) have already got access to all my personal details, where I shop, what I buy, where I travel, what my medical issues are, what my income is and where it's derived.
When I was assessed to be a family foster carer I had to divulge to social services an incredible amount of personal information about my life, family, relationships, beliefs, ethics, politics which are all kept for either 75 or 25 years, no doubt they will be digitised already or at some point.
I don't have Facebook or social media like that so my life can't be seen on there, but millions of people put their family's every move, plaster photos and videos of their young children who have not consented to that all over it. Probably some of those people are frothing about digital ID because they've seen it on Tiktok.
If I walk past a CCTV camera my movements can be tracked.
If anyone is arrested their phone and devices are seized and every website they've visited and all their messages can be seen.

So to worry about what else will be available about me on a digital ID seems to me to be completely pointless.

It's a world wide push from tech giants particularly Larry Ellerson
who are financing the digital ID push.
He said:
“ The NHS in the UK has an incredible amount of population data, but it’s fragmented,” he told Blair in February of this year. “It’s not easily accessible by these AI models. We have to take all of this data we have in our country and move it into a single, if you will, unified data platform… The secret is to get all of that data in one place.”

Ellerson also said:
“Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re constantly watching and recording everything that’s going on.”

He donated 257 million to the Tony Blair Institute (New Statesmen).

Money is no doubt a big part of it. Oracle and other high tech companies stand to make billions taking bits of our money here and there for every transaction. Governments like Keir Starmer’s also seem eager to give them billions in contracts to monitor and analyze the population.

taken from Shellenburger x.com/shellenberger/status/1972054371409318180

ellerson saying quote 'control the population' 2;16 onwards mins in

This is a poor response. Why do you want the digital ID system?

I'm all for healthy cynicism, but the leap from digital IDs to not being able to drive a car that you've paid for is somewhat extreme.

Fine, you can think that if you prefer. Paranoia is a clinical condition by the way. Being cynical, suspicious and not trusting the government is not.

And do you genuinely, really, think that this and things like this are going to happen?

You're sounding deeply paranoid.

Great conspiracy theory imagination 🤣

Some people drive these fancy, high end cars. They come with extras, but you can only access them by paying a monthly subscription. I think it's controlled by an app. If you stop paying, you don't get the heated steering wheel or whatever it is. Now imagine someone remotely having access to the digital controls in your rental car. They can prevent you from driving it unless you.....? No new wet fuel cars manufactured from 2030 I think. New electric cars will be unaffordable for ordinary people so they'll have to be leased/rented. The new cars will be linked to your digital identity and won't belong to you. The government could issue motorists with a certain number of miles each year and if you exceed this? The car won't start up. You won't be able to charge it.

This is an example of how such a model of digital control works.

Totally agree. I was against digital IDs on grounds of privacy when they first were suggested. But these days, unless you are completely off the grid, you will have already shared far more information with private tech and retail companies than you will by having a digital ID. And the use of that information that you have given private tech and retail companies access to is regulated for the most part by the gargantuan and incomprehensible t's and C's that they draft for their benefit (not yours). The vast majority of people concerned about digital ID won't even have read those t's and c's before consenting to them in order to buy a pair of shoes.

*Unlike the government, those companies aren't subject to election or any form of public accountability and are motivated solely by how much money they can make out of using your information.

*edited

Some people drive these fancy, high end cars. They come with extras, but you can only access them by paying a monthly subscription. I think it's controlled by an app. If you stop paying, you don't get the heated steering wheel or whatever it is. Now imagine someone remotely having access to the digital controls in your rental car. They can prevent you from driving it unless you.....? No new wet fuel cars manufactured from 2030 I think. New electric cars will be unaffordable for ordinary people so they'll have to be leased/rented. The new cars will be linked to your digital identity and won't belong to you. The government could issue motorists with a certain number of miles each year and if you exceed this? The car won't start up. You won't be able to charge it.

This is an example of how such a model of digital control works.

In the last 3 months, 1mn Brits have already downloaded just one of the digital ID apps on the market so they can access adult content online. I always find it strange how much furore digital ID creates when people give away their personal data all the time for free and for no benefit to themselves

I’m not keen on the ID issue. If only there was a database that had a list of everyone that paid tax or NI or perhaps has a passport or picture driving licence.

People can’t think a few years ahead nor get the capability of AI and data.

@smallglassbottle Do you suffer from paranoia? Because your postulations about what you think digital ID cards will bring in are not coming from a rational basis.
If you are a law-abiding UK citizen then I'm sure you have nothing to fear from it, your life will continue as normal.

The Europeans who already have an identity card have an identity card. This isn't going to be just an identity card. It's an individual digital identity. It's not about 'papers please'. I wish it was 🤦🏼‍♀️

'Nothing to fear if you're a law abiding citizen'. Good grief, how many times has that been said before?

And no, I'm not paranoid, just cynical and can spot patterns and direction of travel.