AIBU to think Taylor Swift is being carefully repositioned and we’re not meant to notice?

She wasn't going to be physically harmed for standing up to Spotify or Scooter Braun. Remember she sued that bloke for groping her years ago and only wanted a dollar compensation so she does take on some causes. We don't know what she financially supports privately either. A+ listers can give large amounts of money to charity without anyone knowing bar a couple of accountants.

Bit different when it's the middle east, the Vienna terrorist plot, MAGA or anyone with guns (ie, the USA). I'd probably keep my mouth shut too.

The fact that everyone here can agree that yes she is a target for bullying from the US president and the White House and yes she would have an actual target on her back from speaking out - particularly post Charlie Kirk yet still thinks she should speak out is absolutely baffling to me.

no one should a) feel forced to talk about politics WHEN THEY ARE NOT POLITICIANS and b) when that could very easily get them killed. We’ve seen them target her via Vienna. We’ve seen what happened in Southport. Quite frankly the girl deserves a break. I wouldn’t want to be under as much pressure as she is for all the money in the world.

And with jealousy.

He's not MAGA at all, and Swift wouldn't marry anyone who was, I'm sure. She's very clearly a Democrat. I don't know why some here are so keen to portray her as right-leaning.

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I think her gesture to Dave Portnoy was a clever piece of cross-aisle politics. The next day, she publicly endorsed Kamala Harris.

The issue is that anyone who sticks up for Palestine is immediately shouted down as an anti-Semite. And America has a large Jewish population.

Perhaps she’s growing up. I settled down with a man who was very different to the ones I chose as a young ‘un because I realised if I always did what I’d always done I would always get what I’d always got.

She's definitely not Christian conservative or centre right. She's a Democrat and pro-choice. She grew up in Pennsylvania, and only moved to Nashville for work. She's not from that southern right-wing background. If she was, she wouldn't have so many dancers of colour on stage with her.

Yeah not sure where they are getting that afaik she does not have a trans sibling

I’ve never understood her virtually cult following tbh so if she takes a back seat good for her and me!

I think she's a solid person who wouldn't change her Democratic views bc of her fiance's world. I'm not a crazy Swiftie, although I really enjoy many of her songs. The reason I like her so much is because she's clearly a good person. She turns off the surge pricing for her concert tickets and she makes a huge effort to employ people of colour and people of different body sizes, and to give them stage roles next to her.

She's also really intelligent.

Any framing is by the media.

I've sometimes wondered this about Greta Thunberg: that there's somebody older than her who is managing her, telling her what to say, and when to say it, like the minister James Hacker being micromanaged and "house trained" by Sir Humphrey Appleby. I think she was "repositioned" during lockdown: climate change briefly lost its place as a big threat to frighten the public with. She didn't even pop up to say "you see, it's not so bad after all, when you can't travel anywhere". It's also very possible that Boris Johnson was "repositioned" while he was in hospital: it's obvious that he didn't support lockdown at first, but somebody whispered in his ear, and bullied or bribed him to support it.

Call me a tinfoil hatter or conspiracy theorist, but I think that many celebrities and politicians have an image which is carefully crafted... by somebody else.

not long ago she was dancing around with drag queens (no trans identifying females, note),

Didn’t she have a trans man play her love interest in the Lavender Haze video? She’s also supported openly lesbian artists like Hayley Kiyoko and Tegan and Sara, having them appear in her performances. It’s one of the things I like (or have liked) about her, that she didn’t just only constantly shout out gay men and drag queens which is what a lot of female pop stars do when they’re trying to frame themselves as LGBTQ allies, ignoring gay women.

The best thing about @slippedawaylikeabottleofwine is that they've managed to get the August lyrics wrong. It's August sipped away like a bottle of wine. You do realise that line's alluding to cunnilingus, right?

I dont like what I've heard. Totally fake and all about image and money. Not impressed.

I agree @Tastaturen. She’s dull, I think. Not my generation, though.

The fact you don't connect with her song writing doesn't alter the fact that she's regarded as one of the best lyricists of our generation and her music is loved by people worldwide.

If you think she's average looking then I guess you must be used to hanging around with extremely beautiful people so good for you I suppose. I'm not a fan because of her looks.

What's your problem with other people liking something?

I agree- I think this is an interesting case study in what's going on with popular culture in the US. Hugely influential figures being subdued if not silent. There's an awful lot of self-censorship going on, even among regular people who are not in the public eye. They smile and carry on, go to work and don't talk about anything contentious. You can't know what anyone really thinks politically and those conversations are not encouraged, in fact quite the opposite. Not that anyone says anything to that effect really, just that you can tell there's no appetite to discuss what's going on. So yeah, I think with TS it might be a bit of a mix: planning for a family and keeping her head down until perhaps the worst of the storm passes...

Sorry what? She's a singer, not a politician. Her starting point was being a role model for little girls. On a few rare occasions she's spoken out about politics. She's always been hesitant to do this, although she's continued to be supportive of the LGBTQ+ community and other women throughout her career.

Since getting together with TK, she has released probably the most political and least family friendly album of her career, which she has referred to as "Feminine Rage" when performing it live.

Everything we've seen so far implies that LoaSG will be a pop album although we can see the usual themes of references to historical figures and there will doubtless be plenty of social commentary in the lyrics and motifs. One of the songs is called "Cancelled!" How much more political do you want it to be?

More whataboutery..

The woman caused a revolution with spotify because they didn't pay her enough yet she cant get behind standing up for the oppressed people of the world.

Imagine the influence she would weld...

BTW the other artist you mention are pathetic also.

Stop it. You are trying to obfuscate. We are talking about TS.

HTH

Did you miss the bit where I said I'd tried listening to it? Listening to TS does not seem to make 'chilled' people, on this thread at least.
Also, I'm not bailing, I have so far only packed toiletries and am leaving in a short while. It really is Tschüssy Tschüss this time.
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Don't u have packing to do?

I’ve not read the full thread but Taylor Swift’s whole thing is to constantly rebrand and reposition. So yes that’s probably what’s happening as it has many times before.

But her fiance seems to be a very liberal NFL player (he was one of few to take the knee for example). She seems to be close to the Mahomes now, but you absolutely should play nice with your other half’s colleagues - and the world could do with reminding that it is perfectly okay (and should be encouraged) to be friends with people whose political views don’t exactly align with yours.

And I am a right leaning, conservative voting feminist. No party exactly aligns with my views, we do exist. TS may be one of those.

Oh for heaven's sake, the 'want' was created by her machine - I find it amazing that people don't get this. Average singer, average looks, probably decent enough human, yet all the flipping hype!