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I'm happy pubs are dying out

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Raymondsam · 28/09/2025 18:02

In my town at least.

Maybe decades ago the argument could be made that they're social hubs for people to unwind, meet and have a good time on a weekend.

Nowadays they're just hovels where mostly retired old boys go to binge drink in the daytime and cost the NHS billions in the various cancers strokes and host of other comorbidities that crop up.

The three biggest ones in my town are the typical chain owned leasehold places. Big companies that own hundreds of pubs all over the country. They treat the leaseholders like crap, if they start to turn a decent profit they up the rent.

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Malbecfan · 28/09/2025 20:15

NRTFT but my local is community-owned and a million miles from your description.

Tomorrow we're going there to the community supper - the menu is published and you can reserve a table. It's great fun. They serve food half the week and it's delicious. On non-food nights they have other events. I popped in for a coffee on Friday morning and saw some of the locals in there playing Scrabble. Lots of them use it as somewhere to socialise. It is the social heart of the village.

Arlanymor · 28/09/2025 20:14

People across the UK are clubbing together to do community purchases of pubs because they would tear the heart out of (in particular) rural areas if they weren’t there.

Your example of ‘old men’ is bigoted, unfair and frankly ignorant. And not everyone visiting a pub drinks alcohol.

Pubs are warm hubs, they can also be post offices, pharmacy collection points, warm food spots and so much more.

They raise money for charity, they bring together people in isolation, they care about their community - at least the good ones do. You are only seeing what is on your doorstep and making an assumption about everywhere else. No wonder people have responded in the way they have on here.

spicetails · 28/09/2025 20:10

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 28/09/2025 20:02

Where I live women go to the pub too …

Good for them. Men disproportionally gave more free time than thrir partners when theres caring responsibilities.

So I’m afraid I couldn't care less about the ‘poor menz’

boberto88 · 28/09/2025 20:09

Misery guts

RigIt · 28/09/2025 20:08

OonaStubbs · 28/09/2025 20:03

Alcohol should be banned and pubs should be replaced with cannabis cafes.

Are you running for election, I might vote for that..... tbh even if that were your only policy, you would probably be a better option that the options we have currently!

RigIt · 28/09/2025 20:04

Well aren't you a fun sponge.

AbbeyGrange · 28/09/2025 20:03

OonaStubbs · 28/09/2025 20:03

Alcohol should be banned and pubs should be replaced with cannabis cafes.

Eugh, no thanks....

OonaStubbs · 28/09/2025 20:03

Alcohol should be banned and pubs should be replaced with cannabis cafes.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 28/09/2025 20:02

spicetails · 28/09/2025 19:51

I’m afraid I couldng give less of a shot aboyg mens social life ig I tried. They’re not bothered about women being stuck at home whilst they swan off on their bikes or off to the pub.

Couldng care less.

Where I live women go to the pub too …

KickHimInTheCrotch · 28/09/2025 20:02

spicetails · 28/09/2025 19:51

I’m afraid I couldng give less of a shot aboyg mens social life ig I tried. They’re not bothered about women being stuck at home whilst they swan off on their bikes or off to the pub.

Couldng care less.

Its not the 1950s. Plenty of women go out of an evening with friends to a class, an activity, the theatre, a walk. Men tend not to, unless they have a mate who fancies a pint or a game of pool.

AbbeyGrange · 28/09/2025 20:01

MyDeftDuck · 28/09/2025 19:14

What the OP has failed to acknowledge is that the pub, for some who live alone, is often their only social outlet. It might be that elderly man who’s lost his wife, kids live some distance away, having a pint in the evening, often sitting alone and maybe having a chat with the bar staff but quite often not……take that away OP and what has he got? …….bugger all!

Pubs are the centre of village activity, if there's a local disaster the pub is the focal point for locals, some even have a pop up Post office, our local pub has a pizza van and fish & chip van stop by once a week in the car park, it's brilliant!

Everyonceinawhile · 28/09/2025 20:00

Raymondsam · 28/09/2025 18:02

In my town at least.

Maybe decades ago the argument could be made that they're social hubs for people to unwind, meet and have a good time on a weekend.

Nowadays they're just hovels where mostly retired old boys go to binge drink in the daytime and cost the NHS billions in the various cancers strokes and host of other comorbidities that crop up.

The three biggest ones in my town are the typical chain owned leasehold places. Big companies that own hundreds of pubs all over the country. They treat the leaseholders like crap, if they start to turn a decent profit they up the rent.

People need to stop going to ‘chain’ pubs and support independent businesses

Pubs may be dying out but the fact that some humans ( young and old) will always seek something to alter their minds at times will never change and between drink and drugs I personally think drink is the lesser of the 2 evils…..so if the pubs go where and what will the young people be doing

Also pubs are sometimes the only social outlet some elderly men have who are living alone

OneBadKitty · 28/09/2025 20:00

YABU!
Town centre chain pubs full of of unemployed day drinking alocoholics are not what people mean when they refer to the traditional British pub,

The local pub is a fantastic thing and definitely a big part of the traditional British way of life. Most won't even be open until at least 5pm!

A thriving local pub is a sign that where you live is a thriving community and a reflection of your communities spirit. It's a place to meet friends and family, somewhere to get a meal when you don't want to cook, somewhere for local societies to meet, for sports teams to celebrate, for family celebrations, somewhere for local bands to perform and build their fanbase, somewhere to meet your neighbours, discuss local issues, make new friends, perhaps take part in the weekly quiz or fund raising night etc. etc.

When your local shuts down it's definitely a negative reflection of your neighbourhood!

Charlize43 · 28/09/2025 19:59

What a horrible thing to say!

I often pop into the Weatherspoons as their Lavazza coffee is £1.75 (and as many refills as you want) and for many old people these are almost like a community centre, where they can get a hot meal inexpensively. I often share tables and talk to people. Maybe younger people wouldn't feel so socially anxious if they went to the pub more often and socialised. Although, I've also been told by younger people that there are microbreweries were pints are considerably cheaper than the standard £7-8 (central London price)...

RandomNewIdentity · 28/09/2025 19:57

I am lucky, but there are still half a dozen or so pubs with a 15 minute walk of my home. All good. Quite a few others have closed so I'd hate to lose more.

Bambamhoohoo · 28/09/2025 19:56

spicetails · 28/09/2025 19:51

I’m afraid I couldng give less of a shot aboyg mens social life ig I tried. They’re not bothered about women being stuck at home whilst they swan off on their bikes or off to the pub.

Couldng care less.

The point is generally women are more
emotionally intelligent and have been able to adapt with the times. WhatsApp groups, bottomless brunch, etc etc. men are just a bit shit at working it out, and are lonely as a result. As a PP said, loneliness in society costs us all greatly

spicetails · 28/09/2025 19:51

CloudPop · 28/09/2025 19:48

Very good point

I’m afraid I couldng give less of a shot aboyg mens social life ig I tried. They’re not bothered about women being stuck at home whilst they swan off on their bikes or off to the pub.

Couldng care less.

Cyclistmumgrandma · 28/09/2025 19:51

Our village has recently lost one of our 3 pubs when the landlord/chef died. It was very much a hub of the village with good beer and good traditional pub food. The Christmas carol singing round the piano was packed. It is sorely missed.

EmeraldRoulette · 28/09/2025 19:51

@BooneyBeautiful those are the kind of people who I hope will raise the alarm when I die. If it's at home. Which I hope it is, lol.

Bumblebee72 · 28/09/2025 19:51

HRchatter · 28/09/2025 19:25

Alcohol and drugs related incidents take up 90% of the police’s daily work load
Anything that reduces either would be great

I'm not sure closing pubs will have any impact there. Stopping supermarkets selling alcohol would have a big impact. For drugs if there actually arrested users it might help - if casual users knew they would get a proper conviction and then be unable to get visa for the US etc it might help nip it in the bud.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/09/2025 19:49

Raymondsam · 28/09/2025 18:02

In my town at least.

Maybe decades ago the argument could be made that they're social hubs for people to unwind, meet and have a good time on a weekend.

Nowadays they're just hovels where mostly retired old boys go to binge drink in the daytime and cost the NHS billions in the various cancers strokes and host of other comorbidities that crop up.

The three biggest ones in my town are the typical chain owned leasehold places. Big companies that own hundreds of pubs all over the country. They treat the leaseholders like crap, if they start to turn a decent profit they up the rent.

“Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?”
(Twelfth Night Act 2, Scene 3)

ChubbyPuffling · 28/09/2025 19:48

Our local is thriving.

Runs a Knit and natter a couple of times a week - one morning, one afternoon, tea and cake every morning, there's a group of young mums, a group of older mums, a book club meet. Dominoes, darts and cribbage as well as the usual quiz night and karaoke night.
Seeing the old blokes totting up a crib score is like viewing an artform.

They serve booze too...

CloudPop · 28/09/2025 19:48

Bambamhoohoo · 28/09/2025 19:33

Look I’m not one to worry about men much but the men’s mental health crisis is real and we’re all suffering for it. Back in the day men would pop down to the pub, socialise, come home. So many men haven’t managed to replace or develope this contact in any other way. I was talking to a group the other day actually about how our male partners, brothers and dads are all suffering to varying degrees from lack of social life.

Very good point

BooneyBeautiful · 28/09/2025 19:39

FrivolousKitchenRollUse · 28/09/2025 18:12

Your short post is a bit of a contradiction as surely you'd want them to revert back to your image of them decades ago rather than just die out?

Me (mid 40;s), I've never been a pub goer in general and never had a local, but when you talk to the people you mention in your second paragraph, they point out how important they used to be in a community, even in terms of being able to keep an eye on vulnerable people and certain situations. The more people live their lives behind closed doors can be a bad thing.

Good point. Some years ago, a man I knew who would have been in his fifties at the time (we grew up together in a small village) used to go to his local for a couple of beers every lunchtime. His drinking acquaintances suddenly realised they hadn't seen him for a few days, so they went round to his home to check up on him and found him dead. Goodness knows how long he would have been there if it hadn't been for his daily routine.

Before anyone asks, he had been unable to work for a long time due to a health condition, but as far as I know, he was actually looking for work by then. Going to the pub made him feel less isolated.

Crunchienuts · 28/09/2025 19:37

Maybe you live in a shit area, the ones I go to are nice enough.