Keir Starmer "sick and tired" of hearing about children who aren't school-ready

For some children, there is a biological or developmental reason why they are not school ready. However, this isn't about those children. This is about the children who aren't talked to enough, so they do not have the speaking, listening and communication skills necessary. The ones that have had only screens to entertain them who do not know how to play nor have not developed the necessary motor skills. And finally, those whose parents have not put much effort in to nappy training.

Am not being funny but it is still not the job of the school. It's the parents responsibility and it ends there.

We can send a man to the moon and suddenly potty training own child is too troublesome?

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Unless you have 1-2-1, a childcare provider is not going to be able to give as much time as a child needs in regards to consistency. They can be a great helper in toilet training but can’t do it all.

Well done if your child got it in a weekend. Most people I know did not get it that quickly. It took a while . Longer because childcare might do it one way (or want nappies on as they don’t want to have to do constant changes) and parents another

If nearly all these kids who are not potty trained are poorly then there should be a national concern. 1 in 4 children are not potty trained by the time they start school - that is a LOT of children who are poorly?

DS was useless with cutlery an still had the occasional accident at school - he wasn't diagnosed with ASD and dyspraxia (NHS) until he was 10.

I bet any money that almost all of these kids have undiagnosed disabilities and it has nothing at all to do with lazy parenting. If you're a lazy parent then there's no way in hell you want to still be changing nappies on a 4 year old, not to mention the cost.

I'm sick of hearing about it too, this topic has been done to fucking death and teachers are the worst. They're absolutely clueless about ASD, dyspraxia, etc etc.

Their childcare would then take it on. You coincide the start of potty training with a long weekend or holiday then they manage it day to day and you do it in the evening. It’s not like potty training stops when their parents work 😂

If you have two parents, who are working 9-5 in an office and rely on childcare, they probably aren’t seeing their child enough in the hours around to make a meaningful impact on potty training.

When my daughter was in that stage, I worked both part time and full time. It was far easier to be consistent when I was part time.

Toilets have to be organised, because of vaping and the feeling of intimidation. Our students have cards which they scan to access the bathrooms. It means key stage 4 cannot enter the key stage 3 bathrooms.

It means

• toilet trained (unless a medical, developmental reason why unable)
• able to take self to toilet, go to toilet, flush, wash hands and return to the group
• to be able to feed themselves with knife and fork
• to be able to take off and out on their own coat and shoes independently - some may need help with buttons/zips
• able to take turns and share most of the time

My oldest acheived all these easily a year before starting, but she is one of the oldest in her year. My youngest is a summer born, premature, has digestive issues which made toilet training harder, and probably only acheived them all a couple months before starting - children do vary widely. And some children do have additional needs which make it harder, but they let teachers know before starting what sorts of support their child may need, are at leaston wait lists for extra support. The biggest challenge are those where parents have written 'no concerns etc' on admission forms, and then they start and are clearly way behind where they should be.

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Yabu because I don't think he was aiming it at you OP.

He was aiming it at parents who can't be bothered to toilet train etc. It's often the same parents who don't bother to ask kids to do homework, don't teach manners etc. There needs to be a certain level of accountability with adults raising children.

Statistically parents now spend more time with their children than they did in the 60s and 70s. There was a lot more being left to your own devices or being left in unregulated childcare. You also wouldn't have been in a SS for failure to use cutlery...

Whatever else you lay at Labour's door, given they've only been in power for just over a year, the school readiness of the current reception cohort isn't their fault. I think it was clumsily worded on the PMs part but he probably meant he was sick of young children being failed by the system.

Its the system - unhelpful that all children are expected to attend school at just turned 4. For most it is far too young and 5 would be better. Great for those that are ready but I think they should be allowed to start early and 5 should be the norm.

If we’re being rational and pragmatic I doubt he would have been thinking of children with significant developmental issues such as your DD, surely you can see that.

But attachment “difficulties” isn’t a real thing? That’s my point, it’s a fair ponder but I don’t think it relates to a real attachment issue. I think that’s just surmising “oh they’re being ignored that must lead to something”- listen I was left alone all the time when I was growing up pottering around whilst my mum looked after siblings, entertained friends or napped on the sofa 😂 I don’t remember her playing with me or indeed doing any activities with me. It’s just the modern equivalent

Similar experience here. Last year , no children in nappies. This year one, as he’s completely non verbal , and it’s more for peace of mind .

The surveys that are always referenced don’t actually mention nappies when they are talking about not being toilet trained. Just frequent mishaps with toileting .

But I’m not talking about a disorder.

As I’ve said it’s difficulties amusing about.

Same as a child with a speech and language disorder is different to a child with speech and language difficulties.

Difficulties are generally delays which can be overcome or something which can be overcome.

Disorders (I hate that word!) are disabilities or permanent and usually medical or genetic in nature as well.

If a child hasn’t had a childhood of parental interaction I’m wondering if that’s what causes them difficulties in responding to instruction by an adult at school and a lot of children being not ready .

Source for that?

I don’t see how it could. Been given an iPad instead of interacted with doesn’t replicate the kind of trauma experienced for attachment disorder to be present

There were also a lot more special schools.

when I started school in 1960.... most mothers of young children were SAHP's, and there was no screen time or even daytime tv (apart from the lunchtime news) so I guess they had the time to teach us these skills.

I get a bit miffed at the assumption that SAH mothers in the past had so much more time.

I started school in 1959. My mother was a SAHP. But we had no central heating, so she had coal fires to clear out every day, and a solid fuel boiler to keep going. No automatic washing machines, so washing took up a large chunk of one day a week. No modern fabrics, so nearly everything needed ironing, and ironing was much harder work. No freezers (and some people didn't even have fridges), so you needed to shop most days, and supermarkets were in their infancy, so it took longer. No car, so you walked or took the bus. No microwaves and limited convenience foods, so meal preparation and cooking took longer (and it wasn't that long since rationing had ended, so there was was a whole generation of young mothers who had never really had the opportunity to learn to cook with a variety of ingredients.)

And since there was no daytime tv, we had to learn to entertain ourselves while mum was doing washing, housework or cooking. We did have plenty of books, drawing and colouring materials etc. She was available to listen and talk to us, but couldn't drop everything to play.

(I can remember exactly when I learned to tie my shoelaces. I was 4 yr 9m, staying with my aunt while my mother was in hospital having my younger sibling. My boy cousin, 2 yrs older, was rather condescending about the fact that I couldn't quite yet manage it. I wasn't having that, so when he showed me, I made sure to get it right.)

I work across a school nursery and in Reception. We have an intake of 60 in Reception (2 classes) and 1 has started in pull ups. We have 1 in nursery in pull-ups but it is clear he has significant SEN. The one in Reception is NT as far as we are aware.

However we do have a couple of accidents (both poo and wee) each day from a couple of the kids but most children are fully trained by the time they join us. Obviously that’s just my experience but it doesn’t seem as widespread as reported.

Yes I agree attachment disorder is extremely rare.

But I’m wondering if we are seeing attachment difficulties through increased use of screens.

and if attachment difficulties may present with a cross over of ND?

Im just musing but if a child has spent their time in a pushchair with a screen rather than interacting with the world it will have had an affect in development.

I wonder if it has similar effects to developmental trauma?