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ShowMeTheHunny · 28/09/2025 08:22

Perhaps this should be in the feminism chat, but I’ve just found out something shocking: 60% of British Muslim women are in Nikah only marriages.

Nikah is a religious marriage ceremony. Unlike Jewish or Christian marriages, there is no automatic civil registration.

This means that under British law a Muslim woman with a Nikah marriage is in fact not married at all. If the relationship ends (through separation, divorce, or death), she has: no right to spousal maintenance, no claim to property or pensions, no inheritance rights and no access to the protections of the UK Family Court.

This has been raised in parliament. This has been raised by judges. The 2018 government review found that many Muslim women believed their Nikah marriage had legal standing.

Anything done about it? Nope.

I wondered if this is covered in schools. There is a statutory relationships and sex education guidance that the DfE published which schools must follow. It does require teaching about marriage, but NOTHING in the statutory wording prompts schools to explain the difference between a religious-only ceremony and a civilly recognised marriage.

So, many/most of you might be thinking, ‘So what? It’s none of our business to interfere with others’ religious or cultural practices! Surely it’s the same situation in other countries?’

Nope. The following countries ensure, through legislation, that Islamic marriage ceremonies happen after or alongside civil registration:

France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Finland, Sweden….basically all the European countries….except Britain.

Anyway, anyone else shocked?

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Bushmillsbabe · 28/09/2025 12:18

ERthree · 28/09/2025 08:58

I am more concerned about 1st cousin marriage's in the Muslim community than i am about Nikah marriages.

This is a huge issue. I work in developmental paediatrics, and over the 20 years the profile of children we see has massively changed. There is now many more genetic abnormalities likely due to inter marriage, at least half our caseload I would estimate, and 90% of these are from an Islamic background. This is devastating for the families and children involved, and also places a huge strain on the nhs, special schools, housing. We have many families where they have had multiple children with complex needs due to genetics.

Electra786 · 28/09/2025 12:18

As a muslim female myself, it is known that a nikkah is a religious marriage ceremony, not legal. Previously years back it was not widely known but now with the internet, its easy to check. I know lots of Muslim couples who have had a registery alongside the nikkah and some who just can’t be bothered with the legal ceremony. Ultimately its up to the individual to ensure they are legally protected.

Bambamhoohoo · 28/09/2025 12:17

The law doesn’t and shouldn’t allow for “second” wives.
If men decide to have an affair that’s on them. Our legal system will never legitimise polygamy and neither should it.

BundleBoogie · 28/09/2025 12:17

LoftyRobin · 28/09/2025 11:34

We mention consanguinity at booking and tell people that we offer a slightly different pathway of care where it is relevant to screen for congenital abnormalities.

What do you mean by a “slightly different pathway of care”?

Does that result in many abortions or are a far higher number of the live births suffering from congenital abnormalities?

As infant mortality alone is thought to be around 12% this may be quite high (and costly).

From the article also linked in my previous list:

The Children born of cousin marriages face an increased risk of genetic disorders and childhood mortality[2][3] and are thus prohibited in some countries.[4][5] One study estimated infant mortality at 12.7 percent for married double first cousins, 7.9 percent for first cousins, 9.2 percent for first cousins once removed/double second cousins, 6.9 percent for second cousins, and 5.1 percent among non-consanguineous progeny. Among double first cousin progeny, 41.2 percent of pre-reproductive deaths were associated with the expression of detrimental recessive genes, with equivalent values of 26.0, 14.9, and 8.1 percent for first cousins, first cousins once removed/double second cousins, and second cousins respectively.

wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islamic_Law

tartyflette · 28/09/2025 12:06

HeatonGrov · 28/09/2025 09:35

Difficulty is that many Moslem women are in relationships with men who are also “married” to other women. So making registration obligatory would only work for the first wife.

I was just about to ask how this would work among communities or relgions that allow men to have multiple wives (Islam allows up to four, I believe although the caveat is that the husband has to be able to support all of them.)
I am not sure of the legality of this under British or Scottish law at present, meaning second or subsequent wives probably have no protection even if the first one does. So that would have to be changed too.
Incidentally does Sharia law allow for all wives and children to inherit (or be entitled to) some of the late husband's estate?

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 12:03

JaceLancs · 28/09/2025 11:53

I have a Muslim friend (female) who has been married 3 times
She fully understands and chooses the Nikah only ceremony as it is easier to end the marriage and protects her personal wealth

Yeah, her money is hers.
And his money is his and hers.
And the quran stipulates hers and the children's entitlement in both divorce and the passing away of a spouse.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 12:02

hijabibarbie · 28/09/2025 10:11

Nowadays a lot of mosques won’t conduct a Nikkah ceremony until the couple have had their civil ceremony.

I think this is a greater issue in the older generation as all my friends and family (I’m in my 30s) had their civil marriage ceremony as their ‘white wedding’ (as in dress in a traditional white wedding dress, matching bridesmaids etc) and the Nikkah would be when you would wear your traditional cultural clothes

Sounds nice.
Like your name BTW

JaceLancs · 28/09/2025 11:53

I have a Muslim friend (female) who has been married 3 times
She fully understands and chooses the Nikah only ceremony as it is easier to end the marriage and protects her personal wealth

Pigeonpoodle · 28/09/2025 11:51

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:27

That's more common in Pakistan culture.

It does happen but it shouldn't be done one after the other, where every marriage in each generation are cousins.
One instance I know, my friend and her husband are cousins, his parents are cousins and her parents are cousins too, and married to each to each other. Their neighbours are also Pakistani and her husband is her cousin. And she told me her sister in law is also her cousin. It happens a lot there but when its constant that's when the birth defects and disabilitys occur.

Personally I think first-cousin marriage should be banned in the same way sibling and uncle/niece marriages are banned.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:51

Katiecarrot · 28/09/2025 09:20

By not making it legal the men can also have multiple wives - usually in multiple countries which suits them nicely

Yes, that unfortunately does happen.
Married to a woman in the uk and has another "secret wife" back in Bangladesh for example.

Shouldn't be done.
If you are going to do co wife at least do it how the quran tells you. And if you can't be fair and just then just divorce and be on your bloody own.

caramac04 · 28/09/2025 11:48

Bambamhoohoo · 28/09/2025 10:47

Sharia law isn’t recognised as law anywhere in the uk. It is a medication / dispute resolution service, and the outcomes of that mediation service maybe the basis for divorce settlements agreed in uk courts if they are fair and reasonable, as that would be considered a amicable way to reach an agreement.

i could hire a mediator from google today and the family courts would consider their outcomes in the same way. It has nothing to do with sharia law or religion.

Your article doesn’t state anything about recognition of sharia law.

sharia law may treat women unfavourably. But it is in no way legally enforceable. It’s no more important than me and you getting in a room and deciding we are going to treat a third party badly.

As I said, I may have misconstrued Sharia Law. I shall watch the programme with interest in order to understand better.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:48

CandleMug · 28/09/2025 11:45

Apologies, I should have made it clear. I wasn’t referring to the OP situation, I was talking about people in general who say “Marriage is just a piece of paper”. People from all religions, backgrounds and everything in between. Some people still believe the term ‘common law wife’ and it’s only when something happens that they realise how important a marriage certificate can be.

No need to apologise, friend 🌸

Yes, I hate the term : Marriage is just a piece of paper.

To me, its a serious commitment between man and woman who love one another.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:46

Hybridpanther · 28/09/2025 11:29

Some Muslims have 2 weddings
Nikah & UK wedding
Some Muslims have more than 1 wife

Mormons have many wives..
People of the bible even had 100s of wives.

The quran says have more than 1 wife if you are able to. But there's a tonne of rules. Also, a woman has the right to say at the wedding she wishes not to be a co wife and the man has to accept that. She can put that in the marriage contract and she can also say how much money she wants in a dowry.
In islam, a man can have a 2nd wife on the grounds of, it's not secret, they know of one another, you provide for both equally and spend equal time with them.

A friend of mine is a 2nd wife, she said it was tough at first but she said they got used to each other and now get along and all childrenplay together. They all live in the same household though and it is advised to have separate households for both. However, not all muslim men/women do this. A lot of people are happy with just one wife.

CandleMug · 28/09/2025 11:45

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:34

Well, if shes Muslim and the husband Muslim,it doesn't matter how she plans the funeral. After all, there's only one way to conduct an Islamic burial.

The men will wash his body in the mosque and then he will be wrapped in a white sheet style cloth and buried in the ground whilst everyone does a prayer for him to be granted heaven and be forgiven for any errors or sins he has made. And that's it. There's no arranging songs or ordering a fancy casket or choosing a cremation plot and urn. It's called a janazah.

Apologies, I should have made it clear. I wasn’t referring to the OP situation, I was talking about people in general who say “Marriage is just a piece of paper”. People from all religions, backgrounds and everything in between. Some people still believe the term ‘common law wife’ and it’s only when something happens that they realise how important a marriage certificate can be.

Pigeonpoodle · 28/09/2025 11:45

ShowMeTheHunny · 28/09/2025 08:22

Perhaps this should be in the feminism chat, but I’ve just found out something shocking: 60% of British Muslim women are in Nikah only marriages.

Nikah is a religious marriage ceremony. Unlike Jewish or Christian marriages, there is no automatic civil registration.

This means that under British law a Muslim woman with a Nikah marriage is in fact not married at all. If the relationship ends (through separation, divorce, or death), she has: no right to spousal maintenance, no claim to property or pensions, no inheritance rights and no access to the protections of the UK Family Court.

This has been raised in parliament. This has been raised by judges. The 2018 government review found that many Muslim women believed their Nikah marriage had legal standing.

Anything done about it? Nope.

I wondered if this is covered in schools. There is a statutory relationships and sex education guidance that the DfE published which schools must follow. It does require teaching about marriage, but NOTHING in the statutory wording prompts schools to explain the difference between a religious-only ceremony and a civilly recognised marriage.

So, many/most of you might be thinking, ‘So what? It’s none of our business to interfere with others’ religious or cultural practices! Surely it’s the same situation in other countries?’

Nope. The following countries ensure, through legislation, that Islamic marriage ceremonies happen after or alongside civil registration:

France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Finland, Sweden….basically all the European countries….except Britain.

Anyway, anyone else shocked?

Nothing is stopping the Muslim couple from getting their marriage registered in a civil ceremony.

We are in the UK, and our laws should prevail. I don’t want Sharia Law given any legal standing here.

But I agree, although it’s the job of individuals and the community to be aware of the legal status of their practices, it would be sensible to cover this in PSHE lessons along with the rights and responsibilities of marriage in general.

Bpod1 · 28/09/2025 11:45

Totally agree with you, it should be taught in schools. I also think the benifits of marriage/civil partnership legally and financially would benefit everyone. A lot of ppl who are living with a partner long term do not realise how things can go wrong when a partner is injured or passed away. I do believe more ppl would get married if they knew the protections it offered, especially if they have children.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:41

Hybridpanther · 28/09/2025 11:29

Some Muslims have 2 weddings
Nikah & UK wedding
Some Muslims have more than 1 wife

Yes, that does happen now.
When I was registering my last baby born in 2023, in the waiting area of rhe registrynoffice there was a poster that said, if you have done a nikah marriage at the mosque, please ensure you do a legal registry wedding too, to be registered in the uk.

Some mosques are happy to conduct an Islamic wedding on its own. In the eyes of God, its the only marriage that is valid/necessary. If you wish to go ahead and do a registry office so youre recognised as a wife in British law you are free to do so but a lot dont. They're happy with a wedding at the mosque and see a religious wedding as suffice.

ShowMeTheHunny · 28/09/2025 11:37

LoftyRobin · 28/09/2025 11:34

We mention consanguinity at booking and tell people that we offer a slightly different pathway of care where it is relevant to screen for congenital abnormalities.

Good to hear

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Bambamhoohoo · 28/09/2025 11:37

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 28/09/2025 11:28

Perhaps it's regionally specific, but I have never been to a single Catholic wedding where the priest was also the legal celebrant. There's always been a separate legal registrar present.

Priests are often pretty thinly spread these days, I can see how it would be attractive to just stick to the essential parts of the role and contract out what someone else can do.

Yes maybe, I haven’t been to a catholic wedding for about 10 years! After that we haven’t had any friends getting married. All the catholic priests we spoke to for our wedding could do a legal ceremony but that was probably just coincidence (pretty wedding worth venues!)

But yes, most churches I’ve visited in the last few years have had big problems getting priests.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:35

ShowMeTheHunny · 28/09/2025 11:33

At least in Pakistan the government and health workers are much more upfront about cousin marriage. It’s talked about openly.

In some provinces, there are campaigns with posters and leaflets in hospitals and clinics explaining that marrying a cousin makes it more likely that children will have genetic problems. Some hospitals offer genetic counselling, and there have even been schemes where cousin couples are encouraged to do tests before marrying.

On TV and radio, sometimes dramas or adverts link cousin marriage to illnesses like thalassaemia, and the government has used TV spots to push premarital blood screening. NGOs are active too, running awareness events in schools and communities.

Here, the NHS has become very cautious about even mentioning it.

At midwife booking appointments they all have to ask as well as part of the questions on the NHS system, are you and your husband cousins?

LoftyRobin · 28/09/2025 11:34

ShowMeTheHunny · 28/09/2025 11:33

At least in Pakistan the government and health workers are much more upfront about cousin marriage. It’s talked about openly.

In some provinces, there are campaigns with posters and leaflets in hospitals and clinics explaining that marrying a cousin makes it more likely that children will have genetic problems. Some hospitals offer genetic counselling, and there have even been schemes where cousin couples are encouraged to do tests before marrying.

On TV and radio, sometimes dramas or adverts link cousin marriage to illnesses like thalassaemia, and the government has used TV spots to push premarital blood screening. NGOs are active too, running awareness events in schools and communities.

Here, the NHS has become very cautious about even mentioning it.

We mention consanguinity at booking and tell people that we offer a slightly different pathway of care where it is relevant to screen for congenital abnormalities.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:34

CandleMug · 28/09/2025 11:01

Marriage is just a piece of paper” is really not true when the shit hits the fan

This 💯

‘It’s only a piece of paper’ until your DP is in hospital and you have no legal rights over his care etc or funeral. Fine if you have a good relationship with his legal NOK but if not then they could stop you going to the hospital or having any involvement in the funeral. That’s just the start, the financial implications are even more significant.

Edited

Well, if shes Muslim and the husband Muslim,it doesn't matter how she plans the funeral. After all, there's only one way to conduct an Islamic burial.

The men will wash his body in the mosque and then he will be wrapped in a white sheet style cloth and buried in the ground whilst everyone does a prayer for him to be granted heaven and be forgiven for any errors or sins he has made. And that's it. There's no arranging songs or ordering a fancy casket or choosing a cremation plot and urn. It's called a janazah.

ShowMeTheHunny · 28/09/2025 11:33

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/09/2025 11:27

That's more common in Pakistan culture.

It does happen but it shouldn't be done one after the other, where every marriage in each generation are cousins.
One instance I know, my friend and her husband are cousins, his parents are cousins and her parents are cousins too, and married to each to each other. Their neighbours are also Pakistani and her husband is her cousin. And she told me her sister in law is also her cousin. It happens a lot there but when its constant that's when the birth defects and disabilitys occur.

At least in Pakistan the government and health workers are much more upfront about cousin marriage. It’s talked about openly.

In some provinces, there are campaigns with posters and leaflets in hospitals and clinics explaining that marrying a cousin makes it more likely that children will have genetic problems. Some hospitals offer genetic counselling, and there have even been schemes where cousin couples are encouraged to do tests before marrying.

On TV and radio, sometimes dramas or adverts link cousin marriage to illnesses like thalassaemia, and the government has used TV spots to push premarital blood screening. NGOs are active too, running awareness events in schools and communities.

Here, the NHS has become very cautious about even mentioning it.

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Hybridpanther · 28/09/2025 11:29

Some Muslims have 2 weddings
Nikah & UK wedding
Some Muslims have more than 1 wife

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